Talk:789

Maybe we could put UKRAINE in Top Suggestions, to be chosen: Kiev, Odesa or Lviv?

Not cool: people from non-European countries like Australia and Israel need a visa for the Ukraine.

Kiev

Cool

• Well known name, everyone can remember where he have to go
• The most cosmopolitan of the three

Not cool

• Do you speak Russian or Ukrainian ?
• Far away from the border. The roads are not so good and hitching will be slow.

Odesa

Cool

• Let's go to the beach !! We can do the meeting there.
• Well known name, everyone can remember where he have to go
• Moldavanka Former bohemian district
• Catacombs Photos Video
• Huge sea port, for boat hitchhikers

Not cool

• Hard difficulties to cross the border from Transnistria

Comment from Julien: Transnitria seems to be the border between Moldova and the general direction of Odesa. There is no border crossing between Romania and the Ukraine south from Moldova/Transnistria.

• Do you speak Russian or Ukrainian?

Lviv

Cool

• SAFER (and easier) access - especially for female hitchhikers!
• Historically international city, lost its spirit after the wars... still the representatives 100 nationalities and ethnic groups live on the territory L'viv

Not cool

• Do you speak Russian or Ukrainian ?

Comments

• We didn't talk much about Kiev but I talked today with two ukrainian kids, one of them with a HH background that would put Ludo to shame, and they seemed to think Kiev was a better idea. It being more multicultural than the two others.

They were also pretty surprised that Lviv would be elected "most depressive place in Europe". They told me it was a really cute place. Sitarane

• I would suggest any easy and nice to camp at beach location or similar nice nature places - no cities !! Nat-Cho (CS)

If our aim is to attract public attention, then I believe we need a city. Sitarane

• Sorry for the explication of the ukrainian border, I wanted to put them here but I do a mistake and lost the copy/paste, can you tell about the difficulty to cross again ? Thx Misha22h46, 15 August 2008 (CEST)

Schengen and Russian citizen at least can go visa free. Sitarane

• Is it not the fashion that anyone will stop to take you in but they expect that you'd pay for the ride? Sitarane

One Ukrainian girl told me that as well. But then, I heard also that you can hitch without paying, if you explain it and drivers accept it. Mirto

• maybe we could try to find 3 locals from those 3 locations who would explain pros and cons? Mirto

• it would be nice a city with a beach ( and a beautiful sunrise ) that ways like in Paris even waken up by the cops you start with something beautiful in your eye and it's going to be a good day ! but it's going to be hard to find something better than the Eiffel Tower :) xo just kidding