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::::: I see the point with a just international organisation, some sort of neutrality. I like the idea, when it is a nice organisation like about hospitality exchange, that people found their way to it. I would not like, even when it is a non-profit organisation, when it gives some the organisation some sort of advantage against other competitors in the same 'business'. I do see such a link between BeWelcome and Hitchhiking. Advantages from BeWelcome profits more from the Hitchhikers than the other way around (which find their way anyway to them). // Arguing further in this line of taking advantage, I would like that a hitchhiking related organisation profits in such a way. A more hitchhiking related club which (direct) aims are to promote hitchhiking as a way of traveling. This must not be the Abgefahren. // To give a comment to the argument of “It s indeed easier to get people contribute in a wiki when it s totally international whether a Project of the German HH”, I think it is never a project of the German HH, rather supported by the German HH (or by any other club). The constitutes of the club (abgefahren) sets a high value on the cooperation between the (international) hitchhiking clubs and community. The clubs aim is not to function as closed up organisation for its own (members) gain, the clubs aim is to server the public. // The reason I am very engaged in this discussion here, is because I see the same parallels between Veits efforts some years ago in IHHC (International Hitchhiker Clubs), the Hitchhikers Database of VHHC and the organisation BeWelcome. The past showed that the goals of such organisation are somehow engulfing. // I am happy to have a discussion about which aims of an organisation would correspond best with the ones of hitchwiki. --[[User:Alex|Alex]] 20:28, 14 September 2007 (CEST)
:::*"The past showed that the goals of such organisation are somehow engulfing" - The past actions of HC has been governed by a dictator. I think the Organization structure of BeVolunteer is broadly open for everyone interested in intercultural communicaton through Hospitality Exchange. I don t see any tendency to engulf Hitchwiki. It wasn t BeVolunteer who considered first a partnership. That was a posibilty brought into the game by Hitchwiki.
:::*"Advantages from BeWelcome profits more from the Hitchhikers than the other way around (which find their way anyway to them)" - Sorry I think I don t get this. You mean BeWelcome profits a lot more from Hitchwiki then the other way around? If so I strongly disagree. The Main Page of Hitchwiki talks about 178 Hitchikers contributing to the wiki. In BeWelcome there are already 1400 + members and after the OutreachCampaign (begining of October) I expect the double number of member until the end of the year. That means the content and the Idea of of Hitchwiki would be distributed to a lot more member than Hitchwiki could spread the Idea of BeWelcome.
:::*About internationality of Abgefahren: I ve got to say that I didn t read the constitutes of Abgefahren but just the name of the club let me doubt the internationality of the club. Most of the European Citizen would be unable to pronounce the name of the organization properly.
:::* "I am happy to have a discussion about which aims of an organisation would correspond best with the ones of hitchwiki" Main objectives of BeVolunteer:
1. to establish a democratic work environment // I hope that does correspond with the phylosophy of Hitchwiki.
2. to build a transparent organisation // thats a precondition.
3. to encourage active member participation // Whats a Wiki Comunity without their members?
4. to build a reliable legal and organisational structure // Thats why we are talking about a cooperation.
Anyway, I think it s gonna be time to get a concenceouse about this issue. How are you going to take a decission? Create a Poll? A cooperation between Hitchwiki and BeWelcome would be interesting as well if Hitchwiki choose Abgefahren as roof organization.
[[User:Fabzgy|Fabzgy]] 18:36, 15 September 2007 (CEST)
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