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Guaka moved page Hitchwiki talk:Organization to Hitchwiki talk:Organization (old stuff)
# to build a reliable legal and organisational structure // Thats why we are talking about a cooperation.
Anyway, I think it s gonna be time to get a concenceouse consensus about this issue. How are you going to take a decission? Create a Poll? A cooperation between Hitchwiki and BeWelcome would be interesting as well if Hitchwiki choose Abgefahren as roof organization.
[[User:Fabzgy|Fabzgy]] 18:36, 15 September 2007 (CEST)
:: I might be over sensible to the Hospitality Exchange issues, due to their past... maybe too much, sorry. | It is less where the content can be distributed, more about the affiliation (where it comes to politics...). The content could be used and integrate in any case (also in other travel projects), or? | The non international name of Abgefahren was already criticized. | I like the objects of BeVolunteer (this also brings another thing into the discussion: BeWelcome / BeVolunteer). | I do not like a poll, I think a decision should be made by consensus. // Summerzized, I would say there are different things talk about. The backup and growth in the long run and the use of the content. Are those two issues interweaved? --[[User:Alex|Alex]] 15:28, 16 September 2007 (CEST)
:::No! No matter how we decide, we should definitely cooperate with both of them, if that is possible. And yes, also with wikitravel/wikivoyage/whoever. The important question is only the legal status of hitchwiki. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<small><sup>[http://http://www.liftershalte.info/ site], [[user talk:MrTweek|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 16:17, 16 September 2007 (CEST)
::::Did you contact others hitchhiking clubs as well? --[[User:Alex|Alex]] 20:05, 16 September 2007 (CEST)
:::::What for? For the legal stuff not, because abgefahren would be fine for me. For cooperation we should do that in the future, but i think we should do that later. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<small><sup>[http://http://www.liftershalte.info/ site], [[user talk:MrTweek|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 21:02, 16 September 2007 (CEST)
:I must say I wouldn't support a merge with a german organisation, with all due respect, germans 'carsharing hitchhiking and its alike' are taking a load of these communities on the web and what I have always seen is that they are all being germanised. Which quite bother me as they become useless on many point. For some of the info communities I had seen by the past, the texts are then being written in german; losing its advantage to be accessible by many; and german seems to auto-promote themselves into an overwhelming majority... which usually ends up that most people from abroad ceases activities under the pressure. You can't promote an association abroad that has a national tag, it wouldn't work as it 'culturalise' the act of hitch-hiking which is then being interpretated as something others do (as country or culture) but not ours... so that should be a point to consider according to your future expectation for such wiki-association as such point of view will exists in Canada, US, UK, France etc... [[User:Maplefanta|Maplefanta]] 15:38, 17 September 2007 (CEST)
::Hmmm, I really do understand your concerns, and that is a point which I really want to avoid. But due to the fact that we have different wikis for different languages, there will never be any German content here. abgefahren has it's own wiki now, and it will probably run under their domain soon, so that it doesn't even look like a German hitchwiki at the first sight. The only obvious change to hitchwiki would be, that [[Hitchwiki:Legal Notice|This Page]] will not need to show my private address. I think it can still be completely international, no matter who is standing behind it. And most of the [[Hitchwiki:Administrators|main contributors]] of hitchwiki are not German anyway. What do you think? --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<small><sup>[http://http://www.liftershalte.info/ site], [[user talk:MrTweek|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 16:25, 17 September 2007 (CEST)
::: I most simply specified my concerns about it, therefore I would trust your judgment that the appropriate decision will be taken including these considerations. The multiple languages form of the website will be great just as you said, but can we also ensure that a national counterpart won't overcome the international english one? Whatever happens, will a 'collaboration' at a certain extent be possible with the 'other' potential organisation... just as a matter of networking I would believe altogether would make it stronger and that the door shouldn't be close (by that I mean that whatever community is chosen for hosting the system, it would be best to involve some 'collaboration tie friendship' with the one that will not be considerate). [[User:Maplefanta|Maplefanta]] 13:13, 1 October 2007 (CEST)
::: ''I think it '''must''' be international and contributions must come from a wide range of people.'' --[[User:Alex|Alex]] 16:59, 17 September 2007 (CEST)
::::Organizations are always based in one country or another. And I'd rather deal with an organization in Germany than one in, say, New Hampshire ;) [[User:guaka|guaka]]<small><sup>[http://guaka.org site], [[user talk:guaka|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 19:52, 17 September 2007 (CEST)
===arguments===
* '''abgefahren'''
** will definitely be responsible for de.hitchwiki.org
** is a hitchhiking club
* '''bevolunteer'''
** is international
===[[project:How we want to keep Hitchwiki|How we want to keep Hitchwiki]]===
For me the issue about which organization to choose is not so important ''as long as'' certain values are being kept. Using the word ''constitution'' comes to mind, but that's probably a bit too strong for what I'm aiming at. Anyway, I want to look at this organization issue from a different angle: What do we like so much about this project? And consequently, [[project:How we want to keep Hitchwiki|how do we want to keep it]]? Let's fill in this page first :) [[User:guaka|guaka]]<small><sup>[http://guaka.org site], [[user talk:guaka|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 21:43, 15 September 2007 (CEST)
=== How we gonna take a decission?===
How could take a decission on this issue? When are we/you goint to do so? [[User:Fabzgy|Fabzgy]] 18:27, 29 September 2007 (CEST)
: Soon, hopefully. I want to wait for maplefantas answer at least. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<small><sup>[http://http://www.liftershalte.info/ site], [[user talk:MrTweek|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 13:26, 30 September 2007 (CEST)
::Hey, this seems to become somehow forgotten. Are we going to make any decision? Any new arguments, meanings or news? [[User:platschi|platschi]]<small><sup>[http://hoerstel.travelblog.ch site], [[user talk:platschi|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 00:41, 31 October 2007 (CET)
:::Yeah, right... So I guess we agree on '''abgefahren'''? If there are no more issues within the next days, i'll take that as a yes (and try not to forget the discussion this time ;) --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<small><sup>[http://http://www.liftershalte.info/ site], [[user talk:MrTweek|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 09:42, 31 October 2007 (CET)
::::Yeah! If no one comes with serious objections during the next 72 hours it'll be Abgefahren :) [[User:guaka|guaka]]<small><sup>[http://guaka.org site], [[user talk:guaka|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 18:06, 31 October 2007 (CET)
:::::Yeah. But had we any other discussion with some bevolunteer guys except fabian? had they any discussions in their forum or sth? [[User:platschi|platschi]]<small><sup>[http://hoerstel.travelblog.ch site], [[user talk:platschi|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 18:21, 31 October 2007 (CET)
:::::: So is it abgefahren? Any things/changes connected to this? --[[User:Alex|Alex]] 13:27, 8 May 2008 (CEST)
::::::: Uhm, yes. I'll update the legal note. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<small><sup>[http://{{{2}}} site], [[user talk:MrTweek|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 13:31, 8 May 2008 (CEST)
==API==
::: That's really easy. Just the parsing of the interwiki links and that's it. --[[User:Alex|Alex]] 20:31, 14 September 2007 (CEST)
: Any news on this one? It would still be cool to include the Wiki in another webpage with a real layout (non wiki)... the information would be spread further... --[[User:Alex|Alex]] 18:07, 6 April 2008 (CEST)
:: Well, the API works. Anyone can include it in their page. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<small><sup>[http://{{{2}}} site], [[user talk:MrTweek|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 09:27, 7 April 2008 (CEST)
::: Ok. So how can we include the German wiki on Abgefahren page (as CS has included the Wiki on their page)? I do think this would give the wiki a boost. --[[User:Alex|Alex]] 13:25, 8 May 2008 (CEST)
::::Sorry, that was a misunderstanding. The API allows only including the files read-only. A complete integration is a little more tricky. Anyone has ever done this? I'm not sure what the right way to do this would be. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<small><sup>[http://{{{2}}} site], [[user talk:MrTweek|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 13:33, 8 May 2008 (CEST)
::::: Read only would be fine. The keypoint here is that the whole wiki is in the same style as the page and works under the domain. At the bottom the should be a 'add/edit' button (and then you come would come to ''this'' wiki-edit window)... Then it would be possible to include the whole wiki in the page (and some parts of it under different sections). --[[User:Alex|Alex]] 11:12, 9 May 2008 (CEST)
