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* It's easier to get there for Bolgarian, Romanian, Moldavian, Turkish people compared with going to Kiev/Lviv [[User:lucysd]]
::: Robino, if you edit the wiki by removing content, I would recommend you to discuss the matter. It is up to you, but this seems to be a strange way to accomplish things, plus how would you like if people removed your contributions without any further note about it. It's some strange action of you, but why did you do this. At least that's my opinion, or did you visit Veit's school LOL :D Take care and greetings --[[User:Fverhart|Fverhart]] 16:06, 25 August 2008 (CEST)
:::: Hoi Frank, it looked like you deleted the whole content of the article with your last edit, that's why Robino reverted the article to an earlier version. I would have done the same, guess you maybe deleted all content 'per ongeluk', so that's why there's some confusion here. Anyway, please stay serious guys and please don't offend other people that have nothing to do with this conversation (Veit), even if it's just a joke. Not very kind ;) [[User:platschi|platschi]]<small><sup>[http://blogs.hitchwiki.org/platschi site], [[user talk:platschi|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 18:39, 25 August 2008 (CEST)
:::: Frank, sorry, I see I made a small mistake. You had deleted the whole page by accident, except for this discussion, and then I reverted it. Wanted to leave you a note about it on your talk-page but got interrupted by something off-line. I now see as well though that you had left a note as well. I now repost it here under and would propose to delete this little thread if you say o.k. to this --[[User:Robino|Robino]] 00:30, 26 August 2008 (CEST)
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* - people from non-European countries like Australia and Israel need a visa for the Ukraine
: people from ex-USSR countries need visas for all suggested countries except Ukraine [[User:lucysd]]
: Baltic states are also from ex-USSR, but we do not need visa for any other country that are suggested.
:: Surely i didn't mean Baltic, Balkan states, Romania, Bulgaria... I was talking about Russia, Belarus, Caucasus region etc which make a huge area together.--[[User:Lucysd|lucysd]] 01:21, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
* +/_ Do you speak russian/ukrainian?? Have to know at least basics.
==Kiev==
===Cool===
*Well known name
*The most cosmopolitan of the three
*Most of English speaking people live there [[User:lucysd]]
*Trukhanov Ostrov (Trukhanov Island) in the Dnieper is located pretty much in the city centre - there's a beach and forest there, and it's very easy to camp there overnight.
*At the beginning of August both days and nights are typically very warm, which is good for sleeping outdoors.
===Not cool===
*Far away from the border. The roads are not so good and hitching will be slow.
*Just like any other Western City, and it is pretty expensive
==Odesa==
===Cool===
*Let's go to the beach !! We can do the meeting there.
*Huge sea port, for boat hitchhikers
*Lots of young people speak English and very friendly people
*It's easier to get there for Bolgarian, Romanian, Moldavian, Turkish people compared with going to Kiev/Lviv
*It's close to the biggest wild european area - the Danube Delta (& to Vilkovo - so called "Ukrainian Venice" situaded in the ukrainian part of the delta.) [[User: jurarafal]]
*It's warm there :-)
===Not cool===
: Ah, it ''is'' possible to reach [[Odesa]] through West-[[Ukraine]] and [[Moldova]]. Follow the [[:Category:E85|E85]]. Turn east at [[Chernivtsi]] into direction of [[Chişinău]] (capital of Moldova) and turn back to the [[Ukraine]] right after [[Chişinău]] through the [[:Category:E58|E58]]. You don't go through [[Transnistria]] --[[User:Robino|Robino]] 11:31, 26 August 2008 (CEST)
:: There is a topic on CS [http://www.couchsurfing.com/group_read.html?gid=249&post=1520730 explaining] the issues with the border-crossing, giving us the option that does not go through [[Transnitria]]
: It is possible not to go through Transnistria. If going through Romania, you can cross the Danube (there is - or at least was - a ferry in Izmail). If going through Moldova, you can go south or north. --[[User:yurr]]
::Can you (or someone else) confirm the ferry? I wanted to cross from the Ukraine to Romania, South from Moldova in 2005 and then I had to go all the way around Moldova because the only boat going across the Danube I found was a private one and the guy wanted 400 US$ to drop me off on the other side. [[User:Guaka|guaka]] 08:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
::: I don't get what way do U mean in Ur post. Did U try to cros from Tulcea to Izmail? I hitched from Odessa to Galati then toook a ferry (cost ~0,5 €)and then got a ride to Tulcea & had no any problem. Here U have a photo of the "misterious ferry" with its exact geographical location displayed next to it: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/386916. as far as I remember it was a long long walk from the city centre. [[User:jurarafal]]
*Beach: Imagine a beach in the beginning of August, close to a big city - I don't think that 120 hitchhikers could just go there and camp for a couple of days without having problems with people who live from tourism.. But I don't know how many tourists Odessa has..
: there are many 'wild' beaches around the city, we can always go there. E.g. huge empty beaches area 1 hour away from Odesa ([http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=ru&geocode=&q=46%C2%B022'11%22N+++30%C2%B040'12%22E&sll=46.366095,30.727521&sspn=0.008129,0.019312&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=46.250861,30.631599&spn=0.065169,0.154495&z=13 google maps]), and i just googled some other places like this. [[User:lucysd]]
: I fully support user's Lucysd option. I wanted to add the same.
From Odessa its pretty close to Vilkovo so called Ukrainian Venice situaded in the ukrainian part of Danube Delta. [[User:jurarafal]]
==Lviv==
===Cool===
*SAFER (and easier) access - especially for female hitchhikers!
:From the west that is - [[User:Sitarane]]
*Starting/Meeting point ( from a western perspective ) for 789 , from which we can then decide to move on to any other "after 789 destinations" [[User:Dante]]
:Hey! Actually, if Lviv is not chosen as the final destination, it can still be a sort of "final stopover" that could stay open for two days or more before everyone from west of Lviv rides together to Kyiv or Odessa. A bit like Utrecht, NL was in 888 for the north-east crowd --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
::Great idea!--[[User:Lucysd|lucysd]] 01:21, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
*Meeting in Lviv/Lvov can make it easier for hitch hikers coming from the west to meet more of our Ukrainian and Russian speaking friends, who can then recommend us about further hitch hiking and traveling in Ukraina after 789, and/or could allow for mixing up couples/teams of non-russian/ukrainian speaking hitch hikers with russian/ukrainian hitch hikers. [[User:Dante]]
*Historically international city, lost its spirit after the wars... still the representatives 100 nationalities and ethnic groups live on the territory L'viv
*You can hitch to Lviv speaking only polish - former polish area
:Why is this not in the "not cool" area? :) --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
:: It IS cool for polish people who don't speak any Ukrainian or Russian ;) I guess that's what he/she meant in the comment :)--[[User:Lucysd|lucysd]] 01:21, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
===Not cool===
* Difficult to promote hitchhiking there
** Why?!
: Yeah, why? Unless backed up soon, this statement will be removed. Hem, let's say in February 2009 --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
* Not known. "International HH week in Lviv" is not like "International HH week in... er... Munich or something" - [[User:Sitarane]]
: I thought Lviv is better known than Odesa as it lays on the way from Western Europe to the East [[lucysd]]
::In France (I'm french), people have heard the name "Kiev" and "Odessa" many times and sometime, they know it's in Ukraine. But the name Lviv is completely unknown, and I suppose it will be the same is many other countries that are far from Ukraine (of course, people know Lviv in Poland). I think that when we go on the international news, "Hitch-hiking festival in _city_", it is important that the average TV customer clicks with the name of the city. For the sake of our aim, that is to make hitch-hiking more mainstream. --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
* Only 60km from Polish border - no possibility to 'explore' Ukraine on the way to Lviv if you're coming from the West [[User:lucysd]]
:Think about it westerners. You don't want to hitch-hike all that way to just see 60 km of Ukrainian landscape... --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
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** There is a lot of people in Odessa beach, but when the city will be chosen we maybe need to find a place with our own eyes or contact other people near from that place who can take photos [[User:Terrehappy|MiSha]] 19:43, 27 August 2008 (CEST)
*Perhaps Sevastopol? It is in the Crimea Peninsula, there is beach, park, Russian Naval Fleet, Ancient Greek Ruins, a lot farther then any of these cities though
** Not a good idea may be due to presence of Ukrainian and Russian military there. Camping may attract attention of police in militarized zone.
Thát is a challenge! Afterwards we can hitchhike a boat to Istanbul :)--[[User:Banzai|Banzai]] 17:30, 30 August 2008 (CEST)
**One Ukrainian girl told me that as well. But then, I heard also that you can hitch without paying, if you explain it and drivers accept it. [[User:Mirto|Mirto]]
** We can also made a paper to explain why hitchhiking have to be free... ? [[User:Terrehappy|MiSha]] 19:43, 27 August 2008 (CEST)
:Excellent! We should make a template here. --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
** On the highways drivers generally do not expect you to pay them for a ride.
***When I hitched in Ukraine no one asked for money from about 10 rides
****Maybe you just didn't get they're expecting some fee? :) --[[User:Lucysd|lucysd]] 03:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
# Hitch-hiking - actually the reason, why we all come there. Very boring, people almost all the time want money (me personaly I was all the time saying that I have no money to let them know...), so it's not very enjoyable. But [[Lviv]] would be ok, cause it's not far from boarders. So this is my opinion in very short version. What do '''YOU''' think???
: Very good arguments I would say. Lviv could be a good location for many reasons I see, and for sure the discussion is not over yet ;) Thanks for your contribution, if you would sign up for an account you can also sign your message by putting <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:Robino|Robino]] 19:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
** You've got a really strange experience of Ukraine, concerning police and hitch-hiking.
:In case we go to Ukraine, the police will be aware of it. The event is of sufficient magnitude that the administration will know about it. In any case, we will tell them. --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
=Several parallel hitchhikers gatherings at 7.8.9.=
::I completely agree with Misha. Additional, if there are parallel gatherings, it would be hard for some people to decide where to go. Some friends may go to e.g. Berlin, while I prefer the gathering in Glasgow, etc. Maybe I want to do a longer trip than the short distance to the nearest gathering, and people might then prefer one gathering more than the other, etc. blabla. I'm definitely pro ''one-location'' meeting. [[User:platschi|platschi]]<small><sup>[http://blogs.hitchwiki.org/platschi site], [[user talk:platschi|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 13:39, 24 August 2008 (CEST)
:: The main thing for me is that the idea was discussed on the 888 meeting. I think we should not discuss if several meetings is better than one meeting here. It was discussed on 888 and it was not considered an option to consider, as I understand from Robino, the 888-attendance "kind of" agreed that 789 should be one gathering. Perhaps the whole thing should be left there, or it could be a choice to poll it on this or perhaps (?) better several websites, as it would be then some kind of democratic decision. Or simply follow the agreement on 888, that said it was "kind of" agreed that 789 should be one location. In my opinion it should be done in the most democratic way (in this sense I disagree with Platschi ~ and I feel and hope that hitchhikers are not that much an inseparable and nomadic family, just a bunch of happy people :D Anyway, if it's about personal opinions, I'd more likely go to a European hitchhikers meeting if it were to be held less than 200 km away, than in case it was more. But of course a big meeting makes a longer journey more acceptable :D --[[User:Fverhart|Fverhart]] 14:11, 25 August 2008 (CEST)
* friends might be spread over different locations
=Several serial hitchhikers -gatherings at 7.8.9=
The trouble of separating people can be resolved if we travel with the meeting ! It means that all together we can make several meetings in diferents places, while one week of traveling. For example, we can meet all together in Kiev, promote hitchhiking and have a party in that huge cultural city. Next let's go to Odessa for continue on the beach and have a party in catacombs. Finaly accomplish a human mission in Kosovo ?! [[User:Terrehappy|MiSha]] 15:47, 31 August 2008 (CEST)
===Cool===
* A few practical will represent our convictions
:Please rephrase, I do not understand --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
* This is a nice way to promote hitchhiking by showing what we know to do
* It won't be any more your own trip but our own trip
Brazil is a very big country and i think that is almost like a continent.
== North America ==
While I had a blast at 888, I won't be able to make it back over to Europe this coming year due to other adventures. I have spoken to a few others whom would be interested in a North American version of the event. However, having no experience in planning something like this, I was wondering if anyone else would be interested in an event in the US/Canada (Most likely on the west coast)? --[[User:Stove|Stove]]
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