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'''Dresden''' [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=dresden,+germany&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=51.055639,13.733597&spn=0.10229,0.432243&om=1&iwloc=A] is a city in the eastern part of [[Germany]]. In [[Dresden]] a World Heritage Site is located, the so called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Elbe_Valley ''Dresden Elbe Valley'']
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'''Dresden''' is a city in the Eastern part of [[Germany]]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Elbe_Valley ''Dresden Elbe Valley''], a World Heritage Site, is located on its outskirts.
  
 
== General remarks ==
 
== General remarks ==
Due to the position of the gas station around Dresden, passing it from North to South, or the opposite, could be really difficult.
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Due to the specific positioning of motorway [[gas station]]s around Dresden, passing this city from the North to the South (and vice versus) could be (but not necessarily) rather difficult.
  
 
== Hitching Out ==
 
== Hitching Out ==
 
=== North towards [[Berlin]], [[Cottbus]] ([[A13]]) ===
 
=== North towards [[Berlin]], [[Cottbus]] ([[A13]]) ===
Take tram line 13 (Strassenbahn) until ''Friedensstraße''. At the crossing (you'll recognize a McDonald's sign), turn right into the ''Hansastrasse'', pass the McDonald's and walk underneath the railway bridge. <map lat='51.07538050661171' lng='13.74114990234375' zoom='13' view='0' float='right' /> After 1 km (and passing some small private gardens) you will find a Shell petrol station. In front of the petrol station entry there's enough space to stop cars that go to the highway. The ''Hansastrasse'' is an access to the [[A4 (Germany)|A4]], in both directions, but most cars are going north from here.
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Take a tram line 13 (''Strassenbahn'' in German) to the ''Friedensstraße'' stop. Continue further until the junction (you'll see a McDonald's restaurant on your right), turn right (this will be a ''Hansastrasse'', Hansa street) and walk straight ahead (underneath the railway bridge and further). After 1 km you will find a Shell petrol station. There you have 2 possibilities: to ask drivers directly while they are refilling at the gas staion, or to stand before (or right besides) this gas station and try thumbing up the ride - there is enough space for the cars to stop on a long drive-in lane. The ''Hansastrasse'' is an access to the [[A4 (Germany)|A4]] in both directions, although it is said that most cars go North from there; however, with a right sign you might be able to catch a car to the East/South, too ([[Chemnitz]], [[Leipzig]]...). Very often there are other hitchhikers on this gas station - if it is so, and if you don't like the place, you may walk 200m further to yet another gas station where you can try both asking drivers directly or thumbing on the road. As of 2008, the petrol was slightly cheaper on that gas station, which automatically attracts more drivers there. However, by choosing the second gas station you might miss both some company cars (the drivers of these very often have special payment cards when using "Shell" gas stations) and more snobbish'' (?)'' type of people that "Shell" customers tend to be.
Maybe 200m after the Shell station is another gas station and also space where people can stop if you just stand near the road. Most locals go there, as it is cheaper. However, you might miss both some company cars (since companies sometimes have special payment cards for Shell) but also the snobbish type of people that Shell customers tend to be ;)
 
  
There are also often hitchhikers right behind the railway station ''Dresden-Neustadt''. Be aware that this is a common meeting point for users of [http://www.mitfahrgelegenheit.de/ www.mitfahrgelegenheit.de] so there ''might'' be a higher possibility that people want money for a lift.
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Very often there are hitchhikers right behind the railway station ''Dresden-Neustadt''. Be aware that this is a common meeting point for the users of [http://www.mitfahrgelegenheit.de/ www.mitfahrgelegenheit.de] which is a car-pooling service, so if you stop a car there you might be asked to contribute to the cost of fuel, although generally it is very unlikely like anywhere else in Germany.
  
Another good site is very close to the ramp. Take the bus 81 directing Wilschdorf and get off at ''Hellerberge''. Just walk back across the small incoming street. There you'll find an exiting lane going into a factory. If you show a sign telling ''Berlin'', you won't wait long ;)
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Another good hitchhiking spot is very close to the highway ramp. Take the bus 81 towards ''Wilschdorf'' and get off at ''Hellerberge''. Just walk back across the small street, and you will find an exiting lane going into a factory ''(?)''. If you stand there with a sign ''Berlin'', you probably won't wait for long.
  
 
=== West towards [[Chemnitz]], [[Leipzig]] ===
 
=== West towards [[Chemnitz]], [[Leipzig]] ===
Go to the tram station "Cossebauder Straße" and walk up the big street ("Meißner Landstraße"). You can either ask the people at the gas station or stand next to the road with a sign.
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Go to the tram stop ''Cossebauder Straße'' and walk up the big street (''Meißner Landstraße''). You can either ask people at the gas station or stand next to the road with a sign.
  
Another good spot is directly at the ramp to the motorway A4. There is a place to stop, and the cars can see you while waiting at the traffic light. From the city, reach it by bus 94 direction "Cossebaude" or "Niederwartha" and get off at the stop "Zschonergrundstraße", or by local train RB/RE to "Elsterwerda-Biela" or "Hoyerswerda" and get off at "Dresden-Kemnitz". For train or bus you can use the ticket for travelling within one fare zone, so it's quite cheap.
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Another good spot is directly at the motorway A4 ramp. There is quite a good place for the cars to stop; in addition, drivers can notice you in advance when waiting at the traffic lights. To get to this spot, take a bus 94 towards either ''Cossebaude'' or ''Niederwartha'' and get off at the ''Zschonergrundstraße'' stop; you can also get there by local trains RB/RE going to ''Elsterwerda-Biela'' or ''Hoyerswerda'' (get off at ''Dresden-Kemnitz''). Both for the train and/or the bus you can use one-fare-zone ticket, so it is relatively cheap.
  
 
=== South towards [[Prague]] ([[A17]])===
 
=== South towards [[Prague]] ([[A17]])===
Just to start this direction... I haven't tried the spots myself but lived in the area for a long time.
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One possible option could be near bus stop ''Südhöhe'' (Lines 72, 76 & 360). There is a gas station ("Aral") but it is located on the opposite side of the road. It's the last gas station before the highway though. You could also try to stop cars on various bus stops, usually near traffic lights, throughout all the way on a ''Bergstraße'', however, most of the road is an upward slope which makes it difficult for the drivers to stop (or to get back on the road).
Get to Busstop "Südhöhe" (Lines 72, 76 & 360). There is an ''Aral'' gas station, but on the opposite side of
 
the road. It's the last gas station before the highway though.
 
You could also try to stop people at various Bus stops near traffic lights on the way ("Bergstraße") but the  
 
roads acclivity is very high, it's difficult for drivers to stop (or at least to get back on the road).
 
  
There might be better spots in Dresden Prohlis, has anyone information on this?
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<small>(There might be better spots in ''Dresden Prohlis'' - does anyone have any information on this?)</small>
  
== Passing through Dresden (North->South or South-North) ==
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== Passing through Dresden (North->South or South->North) ==
If you are coming from the north (e.g. Berlin, A13 or A4 from east.) and you want to go south (e.g. Prague), you might have a problem considering where to get dropped (obviously, only if your driver is not going your way).
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If you are coming from the North (e.g. Berlin, A13 or A4 from the East) and you want to continue to the South (e.g. Prague) you might have some troubles regarding the location of where you can be dropped off for further successful hitchhiking in case when your driver is not going further your way.
The problem is that the highway splits just before the gas station. So if you get dropped at the gas station (Aral company), you will get only people going the other way (West).
 
  
Then, you have then three options (in both ways, you will have similar problem and solution)
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The problem is that the highway splits just before the motorway gas station, so if you are dropped at the gas station (it is an "Aral" one), you will get only those drivers who go the other way (to the West).
* you might want to get dropped way before Dresden, approximately 20-50 kilometers before getting to the city ''(exact information needed)''
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* you find a nice driver willing to do a loop for you. Meaning that he must go out from the highway after that Aral gas station, make a U-turn, take the highway in the other direction, and drop you on the opposite gas station, then he can enter Dresden or make another U-turn if he is heading west.
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Then, you have three further options (in any of these ways you will have similar problems and solutions):
* if the weather is nice... you can be droped at the exit after the gas station. Then you can walk back, following the highway (from outside, please!), to get back to the right gas station (approximately 3.5 km).
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* you might want to get dropped off way before Dresden, approximately 20-50 kilometers before getting into the city; <small>(exact information needed!)</small>
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* you find a nice driver willing to do a loop for you meaning that he must drive off the highway after that "Aral" gas station, make a U-turn, take the highway in the opposite direction and drop you off at the gas station, and only then he can either enter Dresden or make another U-turn if he is heading West;
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* if the weather is nice you can be dropped off at the highway ramp next after the gas station; then you can walk back along the highway (not on the highway, of course!) to get back to the right gas station (approximately 3.5 km).
  
 
== Public transport / Blackriding ==
 
== Public transport / Blackriding ==
''the information below does not apply to the S-Bahn city train. See [[Deutsche Bahn]] instead''
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[''The information below does not apply to the S-Bahn city train. See [[Deutsche Bahn]] instead'']
  
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* If you fail to show your ticket to a controller you will most likely get a fine of 40 EUR which needs to be paid by bank transfer within about 10 days. Rumors are that even if you are a foreigner but living within the European Union an announcement to pay will be send even to your country.
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* Ticket controllers in Dresden are dressed in civil clothes.
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* Ticket machines on tram stops give you unstamped tickets which you validate inside the tram at any time later. Bus drivers sell stamped tickets.
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* You can validate your ticket in both trams and buses, the machines beep when you do so.
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* Inside most of the trams there's a ticket machine that gives you an already stamped ticket. You can't rely on a "hanging around the ticket machine" technique since in case of a sudden ticket check your argument that you were "planning to buy a ticket" won't help.
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* Most German public transportation directions have clear statements that you have to present a valid ticket if you're asked to do so - this rejects the possibility to rely on the argument ''I have not checked specifically for Dresden...'' during the actual ticket check.
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* You need to get the ticket stamped before the ticket controllers ask you to prove your fare.
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* If you did validate your ticket during the check, you can (and should) argue that you just forgot to stamp your ticket, and that you have a valid ticket nonetheless.
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* After 8pm you need to get into the bus through the first (driver's) door - bus drivers are supposed to check tickets but usually don't give them a close look. It is not recommended to use some of your old student paper IDs (or any other documents) as tickets to show to the driver, however, you might have more luck if you show (quickly) an old (invalid) ticket.
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* Most ticket checks (but not exclusively!) are performed from around 9am to around 1pm.
  
Getting caught:
 
* fine is 40 EUR, payable by bank transfer in about 10 days
 
* I don't know if there are special rules if you possess a non-German ID
 
  
''Well... I know someone who once got caught and blackrid(sp?) in Dresden for the rest of his living there. He still does so whenever he's in town ;)'' - [[User:atopia|Ben]]
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{{anarchopedia}}
* There is not much ticket control in Dresden
 
* Ticket machines outside trams give you unstamped tickets
 
* You can invalidate existing tickets in both trams and busses, the machines ''beep'' when you do so
 
* Inside most trams, there's a ticket machine that gives you a stamped ticket (''just hanging around there won't serve as excuse if you're controled'')
 
* Bus drivers also sell stamped tickets
 
 
* You could buy a (short range, if you're on low money) ticket and keep it unstamped
 
 
* Most transportation rules for German public transport are along the lines that you have to present a valid ticket if you're asked to do so (''I have not checked specifically for Dresden'')
 
* '''You need to get the ticket stamped ''before'' the traffic control reaches you'''
 
* If you did, you can (and should) argue that you just forgot to stamp it before and have a valid ticked nonetheless
 
 
* After 8pm, you need to get in busses at the first door and (then) bus drivers are supposed to check tickets but usually don't give them a close look. I wouldn't suggest using an old student passport (serving as a ticket) as they are looked upon closer, but if you want to try your luck, show an old (invalid) ticket
 
  
* ticket control personal is:
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[[Category:E40]]
** always two persons
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[[Category:E55]]
** at least one physically capable male
 
** not too old / too young
 
** not too well-dressed
 
** no heavy / big carriage
 
** AFAIR they don't necessarily need handhelds so they might not carry bags at all
 
* most ticket control is performed from around 9 to around 1 pm
 
* sometimes there are special controls at 3am in busses etc.
 
* I've heard rumours of black clothed "security" personal performing ticket control e.g. at friday night but never was checked outside normal work hours
 
 
 
{{anarchopedia}}
 
 
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[[Category:Sachsen]]
[[Category:E55]]
 
[[Category:E40]]
 
 
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Revision as of 03:33, 29 November 2008

Dresden
<map lat='51.049' lng='13.74' zoom='11' view='3' />
Information
Country:
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Germany
State:
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Saxony
Population: 508,351 (31/12/2007)
Licence plate: DD
Major roads: A4, A13, A14, A17
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Dresden is a city in the Eastern part of Germany. Dresden Elbe Valley, a World Heritage Site, is located on its outskirts.

General remarks

Due to the specific positioning of motorway gas stations around Dresden, passing this city from the North to the South (and vice versus) could be (but not necessarily) rather difficult.

Hitching Out

North towards Berlin, Cottbus (A13)

Take a tram line 13 (Strassenbahn in German) to the Friedensstraße stop. Continue further until the junction (you'll see a McDonald's restaurant on your right), turn right (this will be a Hansastrasse, Hansa street) and walk straight ahead (underneath the railway bridge and further). After 1 km you will find a Shell petrol station. There you have 2 possibilities: to ask drivers directly while they are refilling at the gas staion, or to stand before (or right besides) this gas station and try thumbing up the ride - there is enough space for the cars to stop on a long drive-in lane. The Hansastrasse is an access to the A4 in both directions, although it is said that most cars go North from there; however, with a right sign you might be able to catch a car to the East/South, too (Chemnitz, Leipzig...). Very often there are other hitchhikers on this gas station - if it is so, and if you don't like the place, you may walk 200m further to yet another gas station where you can try both asking drivers directly or thumbing on the road. As of 2008, the petrol was slightly cheaper on that gas station, which automatically attracts more drivers there. However, by choosing the second gas station you might miss both some company cars (the drivers of these very often have special payment cards when using "Shell" gas stations) and more snobbish (?) type of people that "Shell" customers tend to be.

Very often there are hitchhikers right behind the railway station Dresden-Neustadt. Be aware that this is a common meeting point for the users of www.mitfahrgelegenheit.de which is a car-pooling service, so if you stop a car there you might be asked to contribute to the cost of fuel, although generally it is very unlikely like anywhere else in Germany.

Another good hitchhiking spot is very close to the highway ramp. Take the bus 81 towards Wilschdorf and get off at Hellerberge. Just walk back across the small street, and you will find an exiting lane going into a factory (?). If you stand there with a sign Berlin, you probably won't wait for long.

West towards Chemnitz, Leipzig

Go to the tram stop Cossebauder Straße and walk up the big street (Meißner Landstraße). You can either ask people at the gas station or stand next to the road with a sign.

Another good spot is directly at the motorway A4 ramp. There is quite a good place for the cars to stop; in addition, drivers can notice you in advance when waiting at the traffic lights. To get to this spot, take a bus 94 towards either Cossebaude or Niederwartha and get off at the Zschonergrundstraße stop; you can also get there by local trains RB/RE going to Elsterwerda-Biela or Hoyerswerda (get off at Dresden-Kemnitz). Both for the train and/or the bus you can use one-fare-zone ticket, so it is relatively cheap.

South towards Prague (A17)

One possible option could be near bus stop Südhöhe (Lines 72, 76 & 360). There is a gas station ("Aral") but it is located on the opposite side of the road. It's the last gas station before the highway though. You could also try to stop cars on various bus stops, usually near traffic lights, throughout all the way on a Bergstraße, however, most of the road is an upward slope which makes it difficult for the drivers to stop (or to get back on the road).

(There might be better spots in Dresden Prohlis - does anyone have any information on this?)

Passing through Dresden (North->South or South->North)

If you are coming from the North (e.g. Berlin, A13 or A4 from the East) and you want to continue to the South (e.g. Prague) you might have some troubles regarding the location of where you can be dropped off for further successful hitchhiking in case when your driver is not going further your way.

The problem is that the highway splits just before the motorway gas station, so if you are dropped at the gas station (it is an "Aral" one), you will get only those drivers who go the other way (to the West).

Then, you have three further options (in any of these ways you will have similar problems and solutions):

  • you might want to get dropped off way before Dresden, approximately 20-50 kilometers before getting into the city; (exact information needed!)
  • you find a nice driver willing to do a loop for you meaning that he must drive off the highway after that "Aral" gas station, make a U-turn, take the highway in the opposite direction and drop you off at the gas station, and only then he can either enter Dresden or make another U-turn if he is heading West;
  • if the weather is nice you can be dropped off at the highway ramp next after the gas station; then you can walk back along the highway (not on the highway, of course!) to get back to the right gas station (approximately 3.5 km).

Public transport / Blackriding

[The information below does not apply to the S-Bahn city train. See Deutsche Bahn instead]

  • If you fail to show your ticket to a controller you will most likely get a fine of 40 EUR which needs to be paid by bank transfer within about 10 days. Rumors are that even if you are a foreigner but living within the European Union an announcement to pay will be send even to your country.
  • Ticket controllers in Dresden are dressed in civil clothes.
  • Ticket machines on tram stops give you unstamped tickets which you validate inside the tram at any time later. Bus drivers sell stamped tickets.
  • You can validate your ticket in both trams and buses, the machines beep when you do so.
  • Inside most of the trams there's a ticket machine that gives you an already stamped ticket. You can't rely on a "hanging around the ticket machine" technique since in case of a sudden ticket check your argument that you were "planning to buy a ticket" won't help.
  • Most German public transportation directions have clear statements that you have to present a valid ticket if you're asked to do so - this rejects the possibility to rely on the argument I have not checked specifically for Dresden... during the actual ticket check.
  • You need to get the ticket stamped before the ticket controllers ask you to prove your fare.
  • If you did validate your ticket during the check, you can (and should) argue that you just forgot to stamp your ticket, and that you have a valid ticket nonetheless.
  • After 8pm you need to get into the bus through the first (driver's) door - bus drivers are supposed to check tickets but usually don't give them a close look. It is not recommended to use some of your old student paper IDs (or any other documents) as tickets to show to the driver, however, you might have more luck if you show (quickly) an old (invalid) ticket.
  • Most ticket checks (but not exclusively!) are performed from around 9am to around 1pm.


This article is based on text from the German language Anarchopedia which is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License.