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This page is a central dump Archived location proposals for the organization of the 2016 Hitchgathering. Discussion happens at '''[http://lists.freeactive.net/listinfo.cgi/hitch-freeactive.net the mailing list]''' and [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hitchgathering/permalink/1241781002502130/ the hitchgathering facebook group] '''This is a wiki. You see something that's wrong, edit. You think something is missing, edit.''' Location of the place is still undecided. YOU can help to organise it. Time: Early August. = Location Proposals =
Link to map'''Maps:'''* [https://goo.gl/maps/rwZKwDAAL8P2 Google]* [http://www.googlenorgeskart.no/maps#15/268328/place6637804 Norgeskart]* [http:/Gjeddetjernet/@59www.8129232,10norgeibilder.8660378,17zno/data?x=268333&y=6637793&level=16&utm=33&projects=&layers=&planned=!3m1!4b1!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x464166462fedf21d:0x369737cc6efe9b69!2sLille+Stensrud,+1295+Oslo!3b1!8m2!3d59.8198003!4d10.876496!3m4!1s0x4641664a731c7a83:0x7b5495784c8dbdc6!8m2!3d59.8129028!4d10.86844850 Norgeibilder]
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See [[Hitchgathering/2016]] for more.
== Lille Stensrud area in Oslo, Norway. ==
Im thinking of the area surounding this lake:
'''Pictures:'''[http://www.bonsai.cf/images/thumb/e/e1/005_002.jpg/418px-005_002.jpg], [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AApxGvR_CVk/TEx5E91f-zI/AAAAAAAAAyc/3qvhqLWSx2s/s1600/24072010116.jpg],
[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AApxGvR_CVk/TEx5KYiKZJI/AAAAAAAAAyk/3zb8QI2gcgo/s1600/24072010117.jpg]
'''About the place: Its '''It's a strip of forest that its outside Oslo, 15km south, well connected by bus or bike. bus is 30kr adult and 15kr child (3 euro adult / 1,5 euro child, you can ride with child tickets to get in the bus and if a control comes you just get the fine unless you live in Norway and wanna stay out of trouble). The lake is one of my favorites in Oslo, its a perfect balance between size, warmth and hidden. Mind that there are many other beautiful lakes very close by (short walking distance).
I dont think its a land that its owned by someone and if so, its probably one of those big companies that are trying to turn the forest into block buildings in the next years. I have been squatting in the area for some time, the forest is full with cabins (most of them trashed, some in good shape) that can be used trough the whole year to live in. While squatting, never got any problems. Authorities dont roam around the area as the whole Lille Stensrud area is kind of the white trash / freaks area of Oslo. So I dont promise no problems but I wouldn't expect much. Also, if the authorities come, the lake is half in Oslo district and half in Akershus, which is a different jurisdiction. So if we wanna play legal cool we can just "cross the border" and no more problems with Oslo. Also, good to remember that Scandinavian countries have the every-man's land right, which means you can camp everywhere for a maximum of 2 nights, but that is when you have been spotted by the right authorities and what you do is just move camp and that's it. Also, if you treat the place with respect, even in national parks the authorities are cool with people using the areas.
Except for lake water drinkers, water source is accessible on a somewhat long walk (1.8km)
Remember that Scandinavian countries are somewhat rainy!(we have the option of bringing one or two rather large tents for sleeping and community activities)
Bring anti-mosquito gear and ammo!
=== Discussion ===
When we gather there with 50-100 people and the dumpsters are already used by other squads, that might become a problem. Especially because buying food in Norway is so fucking expensive. I mean really....fucking expensive.
== Martinska near Šibenik in Croatia ==
The place used to be a car camp place 30 years ago, then it used to be a venue for a punk festival, but now it's totally empty. It's hitchable. The nearest supermarket is in Jadrija, some 50 minutes on foot, although if you walk halfway to the crossroads, Jadrija people are quite willing to pick you up. Also, ppl from Jadrija are used to seeing campers there, thanks to the punk festival that was organised there some 15 years in a row.
It's swimmable, it used to be the most popular swimming place for people of Šibenik before 1960s. [https://www.google.com/search?q=martinska+kupali%C5%A1te&num=50&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQgJC736TNAhXEiCwKHSgCB5kQ_AUICSgC&biw=1366&bih=653 Photos]: (In the 1960s they all moved to build small summer houses in aforementioned Jadrija.)
I don't think there is a big chance of you getting kicked out because the place is unused and kinda abandoned.
'''Local scout tells us (Sat 18 Jun):'''
:>''Looks like you guys would need a permit for the gathering but not 100% sure on that still.''
-----> that peace of land in not under any city jurisdiction and since end o war it still goes under government jurisdiction, I know, we had a lot of illegal party's there,so don't worry about permit
'''The Map:'''
* [https://www.google.com/maps/dir/43.7303135,15.8772754/43.7267792,15.8466928/@43.7330906,15.8519753,14.75z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e2 Google maps]
* [http://preglednik.arkod.hr/ARKOD-Web/#layers=OSNOVNI%20PROSTORNI%20PODACI,DOF-client,LPIS_FILTERED,LPIS_200,LPIS_210,LPIS_310,LPIS_320,LPIS_321,LPIS_410,LPIS_421,LPIS_422,LPIS_430,LPIS_450,LPIS_490,LPIS_900,LPIS,SLOPE05,SLOPE510,SLOPE1015,SLOPE15,SLOPEnull,POP,POVS,GAEC6,Za%C5%A1ti%C4%87ena%20podru%C4%8Dja,Ptice,Leptiri,Kontinentalna%20regija,Mediteranska%20regija,Brdsko-planinska%20regija,Hidrolo%C5%A1ki%20podaci,3m%20Vodoza%C5%A1titni%20pojas,10m%20Vodoza%C5%A1titni%20pojas,Obilje%C5%BEja%20krajobraza,To%C4%8Dke,Linije,Poligoni&map_x=448464.5&map_y=4843655.625&map_sc=14285 Satellite images]
=== SeedCamp / Organizers ===
* There are some volunteers who could go earlier.
* You?
====Contacts for help====
* Igor accepted to be our local contact person. He will follow the discussion in the HG group. There is also Luca who might help.
* [[User:Nina_Unexia|Nina]] isn't in location but is originally from the region, can help online.
* [[User:Remigr|Rémi]] has camped there two years ago so knows a bit about the place.
* There is contact with some local people, some hitchhikers. Also there might be a cultural place who can support us a little. ("[https://www.facebook.com/Azimut.sibenik/ Azimut] is a local bar - also Šibenik's cultural and art space that hosts travel-related talks and festivals and organises gigs.")
=== Pros ===
* Mediterranean sea, good swimming possibilities. Sunshine.
* Probably not as much mosquitoes and moisture as in Norway, but there will still be some, so bring mosquito repellents.
* Might be possible to squat some abandoned houses nearby.
* Accessibility is good. Hitchable.
* Place seems culturally right and safe to occupy.
* Good contact with the locals
* There is a festival nearby you could join after the HG with friendly invitation by the locals
=== Cons ===
* Quite a walk to the water place.
* No big fires are allowed. Region too dry. (Small ones might be okay) Igor said: "Fire is a big problem in general on the coast, we have a lot of big field fires every year so people are sensitive when it comes about that, some small fire not a problem under controlled environment" and for cooking "For cooking is much better to organize gas bottle, faster too and for some chill fire I'll check on that we'll make something I know it's not the same without fire"
* availability of dumpsterdiving nearby questionable
* there has also been the rumour/information that the Croatian police is specifically looking for foreigners camping in illegal spots to extort money from them. Can anybody confirm this and possibly give some legal background on what will happen if we should collectively ignore such a fine?
=== Discussion ===
== Example location ==
