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Your views and opinions are totally valid for some, but please let other people think for themselves rather then you thinking you know better than them. I think it's called mutual respect and it doesn't cost anything - this is truly free for anyone!
:Thanks for the reply, and for the correction on the price (I originally wrote it based on a rough estimate from memory). Your approach is a bit aggressive and presumptuous for a new user who appears to be against the very principles of hitchhiking, in a resource written by and for hitchhikers. You may also be interested to know that I am not an actual treefrog. ;-) Anyway, I've made some compromise edits to address the issues you're concerned about. Please feel free to continue the discussion here, but please do not continue to make contentious edits without reaching a consensus here first. [[User:Treefrog|Treefrog]] ([[User talk:Treefrog|talk]]) 21:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Treefrog, are you the chief editor here? Why would you say being factual is 'aggressive and presumptuous' or 'contentious', and what makes you think I'm 'against the very principles of hitchhiking'? You seem to me of presuming a position of supremacy rather than trying to understand the subject. You're updates are not a compromise, they are wrong, and if you actually used either crew sites properly you would know that. What you're writing are clearly assumptions! Why don't you make your suggestions here first, instead of asking me to get your personal approval first? Who are you? You now write: "...but difficult to find a boat without paying for a membership", how do you know that? If that was true, there wouldn't be anyone using that site! There are more Premium boat members on Find a Crew then on any other crew site, so why should it be more difficult? You obviously seem to have your own agenda here, and only like to see written what's roughly in your memory rather than being factual and actually provide useful, relevant information for the hitchhiking community. I think your censoring is not providing any value or substance but rather a clear misinformation. I'm not sure who is reaching a consensus here first, from what I see your word is the consensus as you keep clearly omitting the relevant points without anyone else’s input and ignoring mine. It’s difficult not be cynical when one thinks a consensus is his or her bullish single handed editing of an honest, factual, and relevant contribution and sticking to false statements to reflect your narrow personal experience. Unless you can state what edits were 'contentious' and why, I think you're clearly out of your tree.
:I know about the things I wrote because I have used both sites quite a lot. Making changes that other people disagree with is contentious by definition. That's not an insult. Clearly you're neither familiar with how a wiki works nor interesting in learning. Pushing a strong opinion that benefits a third-party service as a first-time editor is not going to be very effective on much of any wiki community, and working out disagreements by consensus is how a wiki works - that means you don't keep pushing changes to the page if others disagree with them. This is a much more relaxed wiki than Wikipedia or Wikivoyage, which is the only reason you've even gotten this far. Nitpicking the way things are phrased to make them non-critical of a third-party service is not the same thing as "correcting facts". [[User:Treefrog|Treefrog]] ([[User talk:Treefrog|talk]]) 05:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Wow Treefrog, I get it! This is your own personal little project, not a wiki. Not sure who the 'other people' who disagree are? Anyway have it your way if this makes you feel better. Push your own little promo, while critising others. I guess no one else is permitted to edit this post because you seem to own this page. Wish you all the best and good luck.
Why don't you add your Find a Crew ID to your post so readers can actaully check if you ever were a member there and if you acually logged in that account. It's easy to make claims if you don't back them up. Seems to be a Trump thing, but not cool on a Wiki.
:I see you came back and made some more edits criticizing FindACrew rather than supporting it. I'm a little confused at why you seem to have changed your mind, but most of them seem okay. I wouldn't have been as critical as that of FindACrew - do you really think it's too hard to use? And the "why would you do that" on paying for Crewbay seems a little weird (sarcastic? you tell me...). I also thought it was fine for FindACrew to be listed first, since it's the biggest, but I don't really care that much about the order. Thanks for filling in more info on Crewseekers, which I don't know anything about. [[User:Treefrog|Treefrog]] ([[User talk:Treefrog|talk]]) 00:54, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
You're welcome Treefrog, I'm just learning and am trying to follow the "consensus". I also clarified the "why would you do that" to why would anyone want to pay for a year rather then at all, so it doesn't look too critical. It’s clear now that you allow talking up one site but don’t allow to state the facts about another, but that’s ok with me as I wasn’t intending to push either of them, just clarifying. But now that I know that you have your obvious preferences, I’m happy to support your point and hopefully gain your approval to become a worthy contributor here. And yes of course Find a Crew is not that simple for some, you should know that being a member there. I have used Find a Crew for many years now and it frustrates me sometimes that I can’t just do whatever I like. But unlike you, I have had some great trips that would have cost me thousands of dollars to get to those remote places and I made many amazing friends using that site and even got paid for some deliveries, - and no, not just because of my good looks.
:I was trying not to make it look like I was against any edit you make just because it's you. Usually "consensus" means finishing the discussion here before making any more edits that the other person/people might disagree with. But if you want us each to just go for it, then I guess I will. Just don't expect that to be accepted on wikis with more editors. One thing you can do if you're interested in following the etiquette is to start signing your comments on this talk page by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end. [[User:Treefrog|Treefrog]] ([[User talk:Treefrog|talk]]) 06:28, 23 June 2020 (UTC)