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Maybe we could put UKRAINE in Top Suggestions, to be chosen: Kiev, Odesa or Lviv?
* + People from many eastern countries could take part - there are not many events where East meets West - it is powerful!
* + not expensive
* + success would stop bad gossip about hitching in Ukr
* - people from non-European countries like Australia and Israel need a visa for the Ukraine.
* +/_ Do you speak russian/ukrainian?? Have to know at least basics.
=Kiev=
===Cool===
*Well known name
*The most cosmopolitan of the three
===Not cool===
*Far away from the border. The roads are not so good and hitching will be slow.
=Odesa=
===Cool===
*Let's go to the beach !! We can do the meeting there.
*Well known name
*Moldavanka Former bohemian district
*Catacombs [http://underground-ukraine.blogspot.com/2005_08_06_archive.html Photos] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ja_v4ixixg Video]
*Huge sea port, for boat hitchhikers
===Not cool===
*Hard difficulties to cross the border from Transnistria
:Comment from [[User:Sitarane|Julien]]: Transnitria seems to be the border between Moldova and the general direction of Odesa. There is no border crossing between Romania and the Ukraine south from Moldova/Transnistria.
::This means that people have to hitchhike via the north of [[Romania]] / [[Poland]] into [[Ukraine]], and thus go along [[L'viv]] or [[Kiev]]. Might be difficult for people from the Balkans, [[Bulgaria]] or [[Turkey]] to hitch the whole of Romania up, just for going all the way south again. The same for the way back. Is there really no border crossing near the Danube Delta ? Anyway, from Paris to Odesa, it's only [http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&saddr=Paris&daddr=48.275882,30.300293+to:Odesa,+Odessa+Rajon,+Ukraine&hl=de&geocode=&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=7&via=1&sll=48.034019,28.707275&sspn=3.555811,7.174072&ie=UTF8&ll=48.951366,18.017578&spn=13.978281,28.696289&z=5 2850km], looks like a nice trip :) [[User:platschi|platschi]]<small><sup>[http://blogs.hitchwiki.org/platschi site], [[user talk:platschi|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 13:51, 24 August 2008 (CEST)
=Lviv=
===Cool===
*SAFER (and easier) access - especially for female hitchhikers!
*Historically international city, lost its spirit after the wars... still the representatives 100 nationalities and ethnic groups live on the territory L'viv
*You can hitch to Lviv speaking only polish - former polish area
===Not cool===
* Difficult to promote hitchhiking there
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=Comments=
* We didn't talk much about Kiev but I talked today with two ukrainian kids, one of them with a HH background that would put Ludo to shame, and they seemed to think Kiev was a better idea. It being more multicultural than the two others.
They were also pretty surprised that Lviv would be elected "most depressive place in Europe". They told me it was a really cute place. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
* I would suggest any easy and nice to camp at beach location or similar nice nature places - no cities !! Nat-Cho (CS)
**If our aim is to attract public attention, then I believe we need a city. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
* Sorry for the explication of the ukrainian border, I wanted to put them here but I do a mistake and lost the copy/paste, can you tell about the difficulty to cross again ? Thx [[User:Terrehappy|Misha]]22h46, 15 August 2008 (CEST)
**Schengen and Russian citizen at least can go visa free. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
* Is it not the fashion that anyone will stop to take you in but they expect that you'd pay for the ride? [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
**One Ukrainian girl told me that as well. But then, I heard also that you can hitch without paying, if you explain it and drivers accept it. [[User:Mirto|Mirto]]
* maybe we could try to find 3 locals from those 3 locations who would explain pros and cons? [[User:Mirto|Mirto]]
*it would be nice a city with a beach ( and a beautiful sunrise ) that ways like in Paris even waken up by the cops you start with something beautiful in your eye and it's going to be a good day ! but it's going to be hard to find something better than the Eiffel Tower :) [[User:xo|xo just kidding ]]
- Kremlin? ;)
*Hey err... about Ukraine. If we want to promote hicthhiking, in what language are we going to do that? Ukrainians don't really speak English, I know from personal experience :s And I'm not going to talk about the many benefits of hicthhiking in Russian...--[[User:Banzai|Banzai]] 20:50, 17 August 2008 (CEST)
**It's sure that we will be with a lot of russians people and they could do the traduction. Also, we can ask to a lot of ukrainians people who speak english on all the hospitality website to participate at the meeting ! Definitely, language isn't a frontier in that kind of meeting, it will be fun :) [[User:terrehappy|Misha]]
=Several parallel hitchhikers gatherings at 7.8.9.=
::I completely agree with Misha. Additional, if there are parallel gatherings, it would be hard for some people to decide where to go. Some friends may go to e.g. Berlin, while I prefer the gathering in Glasgow, etc. Maybe I want to do a longer trip than the short distance to the nearest gathering, and people might then prefer one gathering more than the other, etc. blabla. I'm definitely pro ''one-location'' meeting. [[User:platschi|platschi]]<small><sup>[http://blogs.hitchwiki.org/platschi site], [[user talk:platschi|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 13:39, 24 August 2008 (CEST)
===Cool===