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Hello Robert, welcome to this Wiki! --Fverhart 14:03, 17 July 2007 (CEST)

I just showed your Guinness record to the crowd here and we love it! guaka 23:55, 2 October 2008 (CEST)

hehe, would be interesting if this record is still actual!:)-- 21:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

It was the only time that Guinness included a 24-hour hitch-hiking record. The current non-Guinness record is held by Pavel Trcala with 2,777 km, from Miami to Chicago on 1998-11-28/9, see the records page of the Vilniaus Autostopo Klubas for the details. Prino 14:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

World Records

As you are the only one I know who owns a world record realted to hitchhiking you might be interested to join the discussion I started: --Quarim 07:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

  • thank you prino, it is a good start. how has guiness book verfied thoose records? how do you proved your record to them? -- 09:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Keeping statistics

Hey, Prino,
I enquired about your impressive project on its talk page. Mind having a look? :-)
Cheers and safe roads--Zenit 19:06, 24 September 2010 (CEST)

Hi, thanks you for you're work and for correcting what I write, I very much appreciated it ‎--xo 15:17, 4 October 2010 (CEST)

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Italian version of hitchwiki?

Hi Robert, sorry cant really use hitchwiki talks but ill try my best. It make me feel really ashamed every time I open hitchwiki home page that there are plenty of languages, from chinese to hebrew to polish bulgarian and finnish and there is neither an article in italian. Id like to translate it from english according to my "schedule" havent any, and the fact that im continuosly traveling though without a regular internet connection nor personal device (depending on hosts or internet cafes). Simply i have no idea where to start to create a new language section, if i didnt get it wrong u as guaka are the main developers of this wiki (or at least the only ppl who wrote me when i started to contribute it as new user). so id ask ur help:) trying to spread hitchin culture also among italians that have no idea about english or cant really understand it. thanks Fede

Cosmetical changes on multiple pages

Hey Prino. If you want to change the same strings on all pages on the wiki (like Hitching Out -> Hitchhiking out), just let me know. I can let the bot handle that. --MrTweek 14:42, 5 April 2011 (CEST)

I already changed the template, it would be nice if all "Hitching Out" etc strings could be changed in "Hitching out" etc, I've been doing it, CRCulver has also been doing it, this "Multiple Caps Heading" thing is just silly! Ditto for my other pet annoyances, gas/petrol and highway/motorway. -- Prino 17:16, 5 April 2011 (CEST)


Thanks for the cleanup. Let's try to open up for anons again this week, maybe there's something else we can try. Let's brainstorm on Hitchwiki:Spam. guaka 13:26, 1 May 2011 (CEST)

As for the cleanup, I hope I've not made any mistakes, the fuckwits made multiple edits and Special:RecentChanges only shows the last 50 by default.
And about looking after things, I'm currently locked up at Pfizer in Brussels, and sit behind a PC from about ~7:30 to ~23:30. I can keep an eye on things for the next 15 or so days, but I have plenty of other things to do... I have mixed feelings about opening it up for anons, if someone is really interested in hitchhiking, creating an account is very simple. Prino 13:51, 1 May 2011 (CEST)


As most Central Americans learn US English, they tend to say "gas" instead of "petrol". A European hitchhiker in the area will have to get used to that. Therefore, I don't think it's worthwhile to change "gas" to "petrol" on articles about Central America. CRCulver 23:39, 9 July 2011 (CEST)

links to motorways in your logs

Hallo Prino. Please, if you write in your logs links to motorways, then write them in the form 'M1 (GB)' and not only 'M1' or 'A1 (Germany)' instead of 'A1'. --GeorgDerReisende 23:06, 5 October 2011 (CEST)

Could do, and will keep it in mind as a future enhancement, but don't hold your breath. Prino 21:43, 6 October 2011 (CEST)

Question about average speed in Germany

Hi Prino, first of all respect for your endurance on keeping logs! I was thinking about adding general average speeds for hitchhiking in Germany. Thus I wonder if your average speed of 114 km/h in Germany is just time in the cars, time on the road including waiting or door-to-door time. If it's the first one, do you have statistics about the latter two? Best regards --Kriechstrom 15:57, 1 February 2012 (CET)

It's pure driving speed, excluding all stops (toilets, meals, etc) and even traffic jams (when the traffic comes to a complete standstill for more than 5 minutes). If you want more details, please check out the input file for my programs on Yahoo! (link on my page). I have no plans to add statistics for time-on-the-road or door-to-door. Anyway, time-on-the-road is sort-of available in the "lift.h-h" output file. My ballpark distance-per-day figure for hitching in Germany is somewhere around 800 km. Prino 16:03, 1 February 2012 (CET)
Sitting in a hostel in Hong Kong with only a small netbook I am not motivated to play with your statistics program at the moment, but I still feel like messing around with numbers :)
I know that statistic-wise, this is complete bullshit, but if I combine your numbers with Franks, who has exactly the numbers that are missing in your log, I estimate that you had probably around 679 lifts in Germany and spent 353.08 hours in waiting in Germany :)
This comes to an average speed (driving + waiting) of 84.1 km/h -MrTweek 16:59, 1 February 2012 (CET)
524 rides that started in Germany, and 176 that were partially in Germany. 535 waits in Germany, total waiting time in Germany 523:35. Prino 17:26, 1 February 2012 (CET)
Nice. That makes 74.6 km/h then. --MrTweek 17:57, 1 February 2012 (CET)
Hi, thanks for the informations to you two. I'll try to figure something out for the Germany article. Best regards --Kriechstrom 19:43, 6 February 2012 (CET)

Events modification

Hi man! I cleaned that comments request away from events on frontpage. See discussion. -Mikael (talk) 20:21, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Multilingual recentchanges might be useful for fighting spam across languages :) guaka (talk) 23:54, 15 May 2013 (CEST)


Thanks for your help and improvements. When I started editing, I tried the blockquote to, but I must have done something wrong, because it didn't work for me. That's when I came up with the ':' workaround ;-) --N0id (talk) 20:42, 1 December 2013 (CET)

I had downloaded the lot from Bernd's site in 1999, and only managed to find my copy after you started putting it on hitchwiki. I had done the <ul> to <blockquote> conversion myself, but most of the rest of the clean-up was done using the W3C validator. I also fond a few more typo's (I actually have two nearly new paper copies of the book!) and changed some of Bernd's changes, most notably his use of ' -- ' to &mdash;, as per the printed version. There are still issues, most notably some text needs to be smaller, and it would be nice to have forward/index/next options in each chapter. I've also changed some of the typographical conventions, ALL-UPPERCASE titles are not-done.
FWIW, I also have permission from Sylvain Viard to put his thesis (see my page) on hitchwiki, the site is gone. It is big (250K), and changing the internal links into Wikimedia format will be a huge pita. Prinoblog, talk 21:03, 1 December 2013 (CET)


This isn't related to the wiki, but still want to share with you Prino - why not here? Got two consecutive rides in Jaguars yesterday, while hitchhiking Vlijmen-Roermond! Never had any ride in Jags in my life as far as I am aware or as far as my ride registry tells, and then you get two in a row. Figuring out how I did that! Because when I find out, I'll be hitching Jags all the time! So now it's Porsche 2 vs Jag 2 vs Cadillac 1 vs Lomax 1

First Jaguar: from A2 service station 't Haasje (Maarheeze) to A2 exit Kelpen-Oler - 18 km

Second Jaguar: from N280 near A2 exit Kelpen-Oler to N280 Roermond - 14 km

--Fverhart (talk) 10:20, 2 December 2013 (CET)

My best is three Porsches on three consecutive days, in magic trip 34 way back in 1996.
Why magic?
21 consecutive rides with a speed over 115 km/h, 14 consecutive with a speed over 120 km/h and 3 consecutive with a speed over 145 km/h. Highest ever average speed over 10 consecutive rides (142.9 km/h) and over 25 consecutive rides (135.6 km/h). Fastest 1,000 km (6 rides for 1,049.9 km in 7:16 driving time) and fastest 2,500 km (19 rides for 2,543.3 km in 18:28 driving time). Only trip with two consecutive days with an average speed over 135 km/h. More? Download my stats ;)
Prinoblog, talk 15:46, 2 December 2013 (CET)


Hey Prino! I just reverted your last edit at A1_(Switzerland). Petrol stations should be at the same line only if they are directly opposite. Or at least I understand it like that. And btw you have awesome stats! --Kundrt (talk) 21:37, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Not necessarily, if they are both between the same two exits, they can be put in the same row, see for example Auerland on the A2 in Germany. They are not opposite each other, but are in the same row. You can add a note, or better, create a page with crossable rest area's in Switzerland, and link it from Rest areas allowing cross-overs.
As for my stats, anyone who hitchhikes long enough and keeps track of their rides can generate the same. ;) Prinoblog, talk 22:23, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Euro symbol

Why did you change an editor's "'103€" to "EUR 103"? The latter is the normal way for native speakers to write these sums. The latter to me is a distinctly foreign custom. (I don't think it's worth linking to the EU's legislation on this matter, it has been criticized by speakers of many languages.) CRCulver (talk) 19:24, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Using currency symbols is bad thing. EUR is unambiguous. Next to that, is it "'103€'" or "'€103'"? Prinoblog, talk 19:39, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


Hey! I know about svg and I try to use them as much as possible but now I was lazy to create redirects (for consistent names) at wikimedia commons. Or some kind of "province to image name" converter in a template could work... I might do it later. Kundrt (talk) 21:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Personal blog articles in News

Hey Prino, how are you doing? Hope all is fine! I was just wondering, you added a personal blog post to the 'News' section of hitchwiki. Imho, your personal blog post does not really fit among the other items usually added to the news section (book releases, events, etc.). This might be an example case for other bloggers, and I wonder how the news section might get cluttered in the future if everyone would add his personal blog posts in the news section. We already got Blogging Hitchhikers for that. I'm hesitating to reverse the news item for now, and first wanted to give space for a short discussion.

One idea to solve this might be to add (HINT to the HW Hackathon dudes) a separate news section to the main page for blogs or personal articles (maybe some sort of aggregator as the planet we had back in the 00's, see Hitchhiking Planet), which could be automatically or manually updated by authors more frequently. What do you think?

Cheers and alvast een fijne jaarwisseling toegewenst! :) --Platschi (talk) 16:00, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Removed it :( and also Alles Gute für 2015 Prinoblog, talk 17:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Welcome messages

I saw that you recently welcomed some new users. That's awesome! When using the welcome template, however, if you don't insert "subst:" (like so: {{subst:welcome}} ), your signature won't appear, and instead it rends the text " -- ~~~ ~~~~~". Cheers, -- Irningston (talk) 17:33, 1 October 2015 (CEST)

Spam account

Just thought I'd bring this user page to your attention because it's pretty spammy. Cheers, Irningston (talk) 13:21, 26 March 2016 (CET)

FYI, you blocked this user, but there are still three pages that need to be deleted. Cheers, Irningston (talk) 20:04, 19 April 2016 (CEST)

Promotion to admin

Hey thanks, I guess that will be especially useful as I might volunteer more time to the wiki in the upcoming months. And I think I should give you


this photo too. --Globestoppeuse (talk) 19:43, 27 March 2016 (CEST)

Consensus, transparency, and accountability

I'm taking this conversation here because it doesn't really concern Drumroots at this point.

You've created a number of rules (i.e. no editing per section, must edit the whole page;

No, I have not created such a rule, I've asked Drumroots to edit whole pages if he's going to make a lot of changes!
And he said he has some trouble using the wiki software. We don't ban people due to lack of technical expertise. And you can't ban everyone who's working style you don't like. --MrTweek(talk) 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)

no changing autobahn to motorway or rasthof/raststätte to service station;

Again, not a rule. Every hitchhiker knows what an Autobahn is, there is absolutely no need to change that into motorway, and once a hitchhiker has spend just a few hours in Germany, he or she will know what a Raststätte is. The UK has motorway services, Germany Raststättes, Italy Area Servizio's, there is no flipping need to Anglicise everything!
I agree with that. --MrTweek(talk) 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)

no writing the name “McD”;

Why should we provide free advertising for a despicable US corporation that cares about only one thing, its bottom line!
I don't like McDonalds either, but I don't think we need to censor their name out. It's often a landmark that's easy to spot from far and thus can be very useful for orientation. --MrTweek(talk) 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)

and no changing a page more than three or four times in a row),

Again not a rule and if everyone would actually use the preview button, at least half of the edit-after-edit-after-edit cases would disappear.

and I don't see where you get the right to do so. As far as I can tell, you have unilaterally decided these rules, they have no consensus behind them, and they can only be found on the talk pages of users who happen to violate them.

Again there are no rules, only requests, and if people ignore them, then an admin can take steps. You are also an admin, if you want to unblock Drumroots, feel free to do so.
We went pretty well for 9 years with only using our admin rights when absolutely necessary (mainly spam) and I am quite happy about this. You ignored a lot of requests by other admins many times in Hitchwiki's history and nobody banned you. So no, an Admin is not supposed to "take steps" if people don't adhere to their preferred standards. Definitely not! --MrTweek(talk) 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)

This is not okay. It is authoritarian and lacks any transparency or accountability.

You prefer anarchy? We had that on FanDeZhi a few years back, and that resulted in the system becoming unusable for genuine users, like the guy who translated PCRE to COBOL, the guy who's trying to update the InfoZIP for z/OS programs.
That's a completely useless example. Sad that you had a problem with someone, but we don't right now. Again, our system has worked relatively well for 9 years and I'm not going to give that up because you don't like the way someone edits pages. If you think we need certain rules about this, you are very welcome to start a discussion in the community portal or mailing list. But as long as there is no consensus on this, stop banning people on these grounds! --MrTweek(talk) 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)

Drumroots asked you a legitimate question about the message you left on his talk page. You waited over a week to respond and did so in a post full of imperative sentences and beginning with “I'm getting pretty fed up with your editing.” This is not friendly; indeed, it is openly hostile.

I sent him an email, it bounced.
That's no excuse for acting like a dick. We have a culture of being friendly and polite here. I'd would prefer if you could take part in this instead of getting super rude if someone doesn't adhere to the rules that you made up on the fly. --MrTweek(talk) 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)

Regarding RecentChanges, I agree that it's important to keep an eye on them to deal with spam. However, eliminating every red exclamation point is by no means necessary; it merely communicates to other admins that someone has already checked it. This is especially relevant when dealing with users who have a history of productive edits, where spam and vandalism are not a concern. If you feel the need to patrol recent changes for quality control reasons, please accept that that is your decision, and there is no reason why other editors should have to change their behavior to make things easier for you.

Whoever said that other admins have to do this too?

Why should other users change the way they do things to accommodate you when you can change the way you do things to accommodate others?

And I see welcoming new users as vital to maintaining a cooperative environment here. Without it, the entirety of most users' interactions with other users would consist of being told what to do. I don't like being told what to do, I don't like telling others what to do, and I don't like seeing other people tell other people what to do; I prefer working together, cooperatively, towards a common end (in this case, building a great resource for hitchhikers around the world), and I want to encourage that. -- Irningston (talk) 20:57, 13 June 2016 (CEST)

Oh yes, cooperatively, like changing the interface into the one we have now, without any support for the normal Mediawiki skin. Was there any discussion about this? The replacement of Google Maps with Open Streetmap? The constant pop-up about Trustroots? Don't we have enough flipping hospitality exchange sites?
So what's your point? Are we too cooperative for you or not enough? --MrTweek(talk) 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)
Hitchwiki, as noble as its goals are, is pretty much irrelevant today. Whenever I meet other hitchhikers, and ask about it, most seem to know, but far more tell me that they use groups on the site of the Cult of $uckerberg...
Not sure what this has to do with the rest of the discussion. It's so unimportant that we don't have to be nice to people any more? --MrTweek(talk) 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)
Prinoblog, talk 21:44, 13 June 2016 (CEST)