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Your views and opinions are totally valid for some, but please let other people think for themselves rather then you thinking you know better than them. I think it's called mutual respect and it doesn't cost anything - this is truly free for anyone!
 
Your views and opinions are totally valid for some, but please let other people think for themselves rather then you thinking you know better than them. I think it's called mutual respect and it doesn't cost anything - this is truly free for anyone!
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:Thanks for the reply, and for the correction on the price (I originally wrote it based on a rough estimate from memory). Your approach is a bit aggressive and presumptuous for a new user who appears to be against the very principles of hitchhiking, in a resource written by and for hitchhikers. You may also be interested to know that I am not an actual treefrog. ;-) Anyway, I've made some compromise edits to address the issues you're concerned about. Please feel free to continue the discussion here, but please do not continue to make contentious edits without reaching a consensus here first. [[User:Treefrog|Treefrog]] ([[User talk:Treefrog|talk]]) 21:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

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Crew-finding websites

Comment from User:Oceandomain about recent revert, copied from User talk:Treefrog:

Hi Treefrog, you're right I'm new here so not sure if this is the talk page I'm meant to use. I strongly disagree with you! There is a difference between promotion and being factual. What was written about Find a Crew was in some instances entirely wrong and rather aimed at misleading readers. If you don't see it like this then can I ask if there is a moderator who can compare what has written before and if they would agree with your entire dismissal of the edit. I find it rather unethical that you are suggesting to readers that they can or should use Crewbay for free because that would certainly be the end of such a website. Isn't Hitchwiki to be informative rather then manipulative? Also floatplan and 7knots are no longer hosting, so why would you delete all of that? Who's interest are you protecting or promoting here?

Hi Oceandomain! Welcome! The idea around here is to work out disagreements ourselves, so let's see if we can find some common ground. Note that you can sign your comments by typing ~~~~ at the end, and if you want to indent, you can start the line with a colon.
First, your Floatplan and 7knots edits were fine, but just got reverted because they were part of a long list of edits that I was trying to revert the rest of. I can take a look tomorrow and reinstate those changes.
Second, you should understand that Hitchwiki is a website for people who hitchhike and travel for free or very cheaply. If you're against sharing information on how to legally do things for free, you may be on the wrong site. I'm not associated with any of the companies listed on this page, and my only agenda is to help other hitchhikers. As for Crewbay specifically, they specifically promote their site as offering a useful free membership, so it really seems like a stretch to claim that it's unethical for me to point that out:
We aim to save you time and money. For starters we’re free to post and communicate. It’s what makes us great! Our free membership has everything you need to find a boat. You'll get an advert, profile, and the ability to send messages to other members.
I'm not sure what you thought was misleading or wrong about the text of the article. Maybe you can tell me specifically what you were referring to. What I saw was that you bulked up the FindACrew section with a lot of extra details that made it much longer than the other listings, and the opinions you insterted about the pricing seemed out of touch with the rest of the content on Hitchwiki (i.e. not many users here will feel like AUD$75/month is a good deal just because it doesn't auto-renew). FindACrew is already placed at the top of the list and clearly stated to have by far the largest number of opportunities, so your efforts to further emphasize it made me suspect that you have some interest in promoting them over their competitors. You even added a company slogan, which is totally out of place here.
Maybe you could tell me a bit about yourself, to help build trust. Are you working for FindACrew? Are you a hitchhiker? Do you have personal experiences trying to find boats as a traveler?
Treefrog (talk) 08:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)H

Hi Treefrog, I'm not sure if we can find a common ground here. I travelled the world many times over, but never ever did so at someone else’s expense. If this is what free or cheap travel means to you or this entire platform - good luck to you, I’m glad I never met you in person. I provided useful, factual, and honest information. I'm a proud traveller who contributes to the travelling and nomad community, not sucks the life out of those who make it possible. If you think this is too much, or more than others, really what is your point? Is this about sharing information or restricting it? Are you the readers parent, or do you think they can make up their own mind about what they read and what suits them? Who's interest are you protecting or representing here for moderating these updates? What you keep reverting the text to is misleading, if not even defamatory. Do you really want my bio? What has this to do with sharing useful information? I don't think a treefrog has any more credibility than someone who provides information that can easily be researched and verified by anyone. Trust, are you kidding? Have you ever used Google and checked what you're trying to back up? I think some of your contributions are fantastic, but others are simply misleading and controlling. I wish we could see eye on eye on this, but if ego takes the better of this then I'm happy to leave it at this.

If one can't or doesn't want to see the differnce, it is very difficult to point out the difference in: 'The main thing you can do as a free member is "wave" to captains' (saying you can't do anything else) verses 'The main things you can do as a Free member are pretty much the same as a Premium member, except exchange personal messages with other matching Free members.' Most people would see that this means the exact opposite, and the later can easily be confirmed by anyone. Also it is not US$70/month because it is charged in AUD at AU$75 for 30 days (currently US$52), as currency conversion changes daily, and there is no monthly fee but a 30 days, 90 days, 180 days, or 360 days Premium, changing the monthly cost on the option one chooses, which can be as little as AU$28/month (US$19/month or GBP15/month), or even much less with the Lifetime Premium. Only someone who never used this site woud write US$70/month, and continually reverting back to that. You're discrediting your credibility by reinstating that. Do you really think you're the only one with internet access?

While who is promoting who with: 'CrewBay is probably the most useful free dedicated crew site as of 2020' verses 'CrewBay is another useful dedicated crew site'? Crewbay is giving members who pay more profile options and better ranking, while Find a Crew doesn't do any of that for anyone! Who really is a free dedicated crew site here? The one who gives the same chances to everyone from the start for as long as they like, or the one who puts those who pay ahead of those who don't? Not really free if you think about it.

Your views and opinions are totally valid for some, but please let other people think for themselves rather then you thinking you know better than them. I think it's called mutual respect and it doesn't cost anything - this is truly free for anyone!

Thanks for the reply, and for the correction on the price (I originally wrote it based on a rough estimate from memory). Your approach is a bit aggressive and presumptuous for a new user who appears to be against the very principles of hitchhiking, in a resource written by and for hitchhikers. You may also be interested to know that I am not an actual treefrog. ;-) Anyway, I've made some compromise edits to address the issues you're concerned about. Please feel free to continue the discussion here, but please do not continue to make contentious edits without reaching a consensus here first. Treefrog (talk) 21:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)