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Maybe we could put UKRAINE in Top Suggestions, to be chosen: Kiev, Odesa or Lviv?
 
 
* + People from many eastern countries could take part - there are not many events where East meets West - it is powerful!
 
* + not expensive
 
* + success would stop bad gossip about hitching in Ukr
 
* - people from non-European countries like Australia and Israel need a visa for the Ukraine.
 
* +/_ Do you speak russian/ukrainian?? Have to know at least basics.
 
 
 
=Kiev=
 
===Cool===
 
*Well known name
 
*The most cosmopolitan of the three
 
===Not cool===
 
*Far away from the border. The roads are not so good and hitching will be slow.
 
 
=Odesa=
 
===Cool===
 
*Let's go to the beach !! We can do the meeting there.
 
*Well known name
 
*Moldavanka Former bohemian district
 
*Catacombs [http://underground-ukraine.blogspot.com/2005_08_06_archive.html Photos] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ja_v4ixixg Video]
 
*Huge sea port, for boat hitchhikers
 
===Not cool===
 
*Hard difficulties to cross the border from Transnistria
 
:Comment from [[User:Sitarane|Julien]]: Transnitria seems to be the border between Moldova and the general direction of Odesa.  There is no border crossing between Romania and the Ukraine south from Moldova/Transnistria.
 
::This means that people have to hitchhike via the north of [[Romania]] / [[Poland]] into [[Ukraine]], and thus go along [[L'viv]] or [[Kiev]]. Might be difficult for people from the Balkans, [[Bulgaria]] or [[Turkey]] to hitch the whole of Romania up, just for going all the way south again. The same for the way back. Is there really no border crossing near the Danube Delta ? Anyway, from Paris to Odesa, it's only [http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&saddr=Paris&daddr=48.275882,30.300293+to:Odesa,+Odessa+Rajon,+Ukraine&hl=de&geocode=&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=7&via=1&sll=48.034019,28.707275&sspn=3.555811,7.174072&ie=UTF8&ll=48.951366,18.017578&spn=13.978281,28.696289&z=5 2850km], looks like a nice trip :)  [[User:platschi|platschi]]<small><sup>[http://blogs.hitchwiki.org/platschi site], [[user talk:platschi|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 13:51, 24 August 2008 (CEST)
 
 
=Lviv=
 
===Cool===
 
*SAFER (and easier) access - especially for female hitchhikers!
 
*Historically international city, lost its spirit after the wars... still the representatives 100 nationalities and ethnic groups live on the territory L'viv
 
*You can hitch to Lviv speaking only polish - former polish area
 
===Not cool===
 
* Difficult to promote hitchhiking there
 
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=Comments=
 
* We didn't talk much about Kiev but I talked today with two ukrainian kids, one of them with a HH background that would put Ludo to shame, and they seemed to think Kiev was a better idea. It being more multicultural than the two others.
 
They were also pretty surprised that Lviv would be elected "most depressive place in Europe". They told me it was a really cute place. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
 
 
 
* I would suggest any easy and nice to camp at beach location or similar nice nature places - no cities !! Nat-Cho (CS)
 
**If our aim is to attract public attention, then I believe we need a city. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
 
 
 
* Sorry for the explication of the ukrainian border, I wanted to put them here but I do a mistake and lost the copy/paste, can you tell about the difficulty to cross again ? Thx [[User:Terrehappy|Misha]]22h46, 15 August 2008 (CEST)
 
**Schengen and Russian citizen at least can go visa free. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
 
 
 
* Is it not the fashion that anyone will stop to take you in but they expect that you'd pay for the ride? [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]
 
**One Ukrainian girl told me that as well. But then, I heard also that you can hitch without paying, if you explain it and drivers accept it. [[User:Mirto|Mirto]]
 
 
* maybe we could try to find 3 locals from those 3 locations who would explain pros and cons? [[User:Mirto|Mirto]]
 
 
*it would be nice a city with a beach ( and a beautiful sunrise ) that ways like in Paris even waken up by the cops you start with something beautiful in your eye and it's going to be a good day ! but it's going to be hard to find something better than the Eiffel Tower :) [[User:xo|xo just kidding ]]
 
- Kremlin? ;)
 
 
*Hey err... about Ukraine. If we want to promote hicthhiking, in what language are we going to do that? Ukrainians don't really speak English, I know from personal experience :s And I'm not going to talk about the many benefits of hicthhiking in Russian...--[[User:Banzai|Banzai]] 20:50, 17 August 2008 (CEST)
 
**It's sure that we will be with a lot of russians people and they could do the traduction. Also, we can ask to a lot of ukrainians people who speak english on all the hospitality website to participate at the meeting ! Definitely, language isn't a frontier in that kind of meeting, it will be fun :) [[User:terrehappy|Misha]]
 
 
 
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::I completely agree with Misha. Additional, if there are parallel gatherings, it would be hard for some people to decide where to go. Some friends may go to e.g. Berlin, while I prefer the gathering in Glasgow, etc. Maybe I want to do a longer trip than the short distance to the nearest gathering, and people might then prefer one gathering more than the other, etc. blabla. I'm definitely pro ''one-location'' meeting. [[User:platschi|platschi]]<small><sup>[http://blogs.hitchwiki.org/platschi site], [[user talk:platschi|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 13:39, 24 August 2008 (CEST)
 
::I completely agree with Misha. Additional, if there are parallel gatherings, it would be hard for some people to decide where to go. Some friends may go to e.g. Berlin, while I prefer the gathering in Glasgow, etc. Maybe I want to do a longer trip than the short distance to the nearest gathering, and people might then prefer one gathering more than the other, etc. blabla. I'm definitely pro ''one-location'' meeting. [[User:platschi|platschi]]<small><sup>[http://blogs.hitchwiki.org/platschi site], [[user talk:platschi|wikitalk]]</sup></small> 13:39, 24 August 2008 (CEST)
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::: The main thing for me is that the idea was discussed on the 888 meeting. I think we should not discuss if several meetings is better than one meeting here. It was discussed on 888 and it was not considered an option to consider, as I understand from Robino, the 888-attendance "kind of" agreed that 789 should be one gathering. Perhaps the whole thing should be left there, or it could be a choice to poll it on this or perhaps (?) better several websites, as it would be then some kind of democratic decision. Or simply follow the agreement on 888, that said it was "kind of" agreed that 789 should be one location. In my opinion it should be done in the most democratic way (in this sense I disagree with Platschi ~ and I feel and hope that hitchhikers are not that much an inseparable and nomadic family, just a bunch of happy people :D Anyway, if it's about personal opinions, I'd more likely go to a European hitchhikers meeting if it were to be held less than 200 km away, than in case it was more. But of course a big meeting makes a longer journey more acceptable :D --[[User:Fverhart|Fverhart]] 14:11, 25 August 2008 (CEST)
 
    
 
    
 
===Cool===
 
===Cool===

Revision as of 12:11, 25 August 2008

Several parallel hitchhikers gatherings at 7.8.9.

- And now for a completely different concept - 

Did you come up with a quite different idea, in which gatherings are organized all over Europe in several countries, for example in five countries or even in twenty countries "(intra-) national" style. For example one event in Portugal/Spain, one in Benelux/France, one in Germany/Poland, one in Scandinavia, one in UK/Ireland, one in Ukraine, one in Russia, one in Czech/Slovak/Austria and so on... Or: one in northern Europe, one in western Europe, one in southern Europe, one in eastern Europe and one in Central Europe.

We actually did discuss the option, but kind of agreed to do a call for international gatherings on all continents. This would be the European one then. I think the idea of multiple gatherings is very nice, but it might be something rather for the year after, or to do it on 999 (one month later, let smaller gatherings spring!)? --Robino 16:52, 21 August 2008 (CEST)
A lot of friendships will disapear : for logistik and choice reasons . Also it won't be a challenge any more ! At the 888, a lot of people have made a long distance for their first or second time, it was really adventurous for everyone. That's also why they had enjoy it like a great experience of their life. Some of them said that they are now definitely hitchhikers for that kind of reasons. Little distances for everyone will broke our adventure's dreams Misha 13:10, 24 aout 2008...
I completely agree with Misha. Additional, if there are parallel gatherings, it would be hard for some people to decide where to go. Some friends may go to e.g. Berlin, while I prefer the gathering in Glasgow, etc. Maybe I want to do a longer trip than the short distance to the nearest gathering, and people might then prefer one gathering more than the other, etc. blabla. I'm definitely pro one-location meeting. platschisite, wikitalk 13:39, 24 August 2008 (CEST)
The main thing for me is that the idea was discussed on the 888 meeting. I think we should not discuss if several meetings is better than one meeting here. It was discussed on 888 and it was not considered an option to consider, as I understand from Robino, the 888-attendance "kind of" agreed that 789 should be one gathering. Perhaps the whole thing should be left there, or it could be a choice to poll it on this or perhaps (?) better several websites, as it would be then some kind of democratic decision. Or simply follow the agreement on 888, that said it was "kind of" agreed that 789 should be one location. In my opinion it should be done in the most democratic way (in this sense I disagree with Platschi ~ and I feel and hope that hitchhikers are not that much an inseparable and nomadic family, just a bunch of happy people :D Anyway, if it's about personal opinions, I'd more likely go to a European hitchhikers meeting if it were to be held less than 200 km away, than in case it was more. But of course a big meeting makes a longer journey more acceptable :D --Fverhart 14:11, 25 August 2008 (CEST)

Cool

  • bigger reach of hitchhikers
  • clear cooperation / organisation need / tasks / goal for European hitchhikers clubs
  • easier participation since the nearest meeting is more nearby, than in case of one gathering place
  • more local media attention, supporting the goals

Not so cool

  • you might fear (?) the number of hitchhikers is smaller on each meeting
  • the real road bums might not like... ;)
  • to be separated between hitchhiker's brother
  • Littles distances = little adventure
  • friends might be spread over different locations