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<div>Hmm, your email address does not seem to work, so I have to conact you here.<br />
We'll be happy to set up a Polish hitchwiki right now. Would you like to be admin for that? It's not much work, just have a look on it from time to time, to keep everything in order, and maybe motivate new users to contribute.<br />
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Do you have Jabber, ICQ, MSN or something, to discuss the details?<br />
:[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 11:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Yeah, I really would like to start creating polish articles and being admin as well. I forgot to fill in one letter in my email address. strzkrzysiek@gmail.com <- this is correct. For yout information, in Poland we don't use any ICQ or MSN. We have our own program called Gadu-Gadu (from word "gadać" which means "to chat"). It is very popular, so there is no need to create any ICQ/MSN account for domestic discussion.<br />
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All in all, my gmail account is jabber account as well. So contact me: strzkrzysiek@gmail.com --[[User:Strzkrzysiek|Strzkrzysiek]] 12:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)</div>Strzkrzysiekhttps://hitchwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Hitchwiki:Community_Portal/2009-2012&diff=34466Hitchwiki:Community Portal/2009-20122009-07-10T10:46:27Z<p>Strzkrzysiek: </p>
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== Copying from Wikipedia ==<br />
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Is there any sort of process for this? I tried a straight copy paste as suggested, but it didn't work out. Really what I want to get is the exit/service station list for:<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn_96 so I can add comments on my experience at one of the service stations on Sunday. I see that for example:<br />
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http://hitchwiki.org/en/A8_(Germany)<br />
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has a list which presumably came from Wikipedia, but formatting is different. Is there an auto method for this?<br />
: Looks like they are using a lot of templates for everything (like BAB-AS, BAB-Tunnel, BAB-Parkplatz), so we need to copy these templates first. Might be a little work, but probably worth it. I'll see if I can find time for this. If you want to do that: they are stored in i.e. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:BAB-Tunnel here]. Just copy the whole page(s) to hitchwiki under the same name. Don't forget to add <nowiki>{{Wikipedia}}</nowiki> to the end of any article that you copy from Wikipedia. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 07:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Maps ==<br />
=== Google Maps extension ===<br />
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I've been playing a little bit with the Google Map extension on Trashwiki. Check [[:trash:Amsterdam|Amsterdam]] and [[:trash:Trashwiki:Trashcan|Trashwiki:Trashcan]]. I think it could make sense to see if we can migrate maps.hitchwiki.org towards this extension. What do you think? [[User:Guaka|guaka]] 10:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Yeah, looks pretty cool. The question is, how can we migrate the old data from maps.hitchwiki.org? We would have to split one big database into many small ones. Any ideas? --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 11:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Would could set up a bot based on pywikipediabot that tries to insert <tt>t_points</tt> into articles. I'll first set up mirror.hitchwiki.org so we can play with it there.<br />
::The bot should probably also be able to create a .kml file. And maybe it's possible to hack OSM into the extension. With that we would have all current features covered, right? [[User:Guaka|guaka]] 11:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Partwise. Markers in areas for which we don't have articles will get lost. However, they would still exist on the main map, so not a real loss. But I think, the main goal should be to have only one database.<br />
:::Maybe we can make a mix of both extension, thus allowing to edit markers inside the wiki but still having them in one big database.<br />
:::Not so easy. I'll think about it. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 12:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Indeed. Tricky issues. Also, it would be nice to have spots in many articles, so maybe the approach of the extension is not right for what we want. But maybe there's a way to build something on top of the extension so that people can edit map stuff directly from inside the wiki. [[User:Guaka|guaka]] 14:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Should not even be too difficult. I think I started something like that some time ago, but eventually forgot about it :/ --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 14:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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=== Google street view ===<br />
It would be nice to had google street view to Hitchwiki maybe by the maps it's really useful to see how look a spot or to find one, ok only in some part of France and a lot of the us so it's probably can wait.<br />
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: Would definitely be nice, at least for the future. But might also be very hard or even impossible to implement. Also, I don't trust google :/ --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 10:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Drivers ==<br />
Hey, we dont have drivers section!<br />
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First of all, I want to be also included in the drivers category, and than, secondly, we need an info board - I am going that way and I am looking for hhikers. Just instead of going into every petrol station and checking it out ;)<br />
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I know there are other sites specified in exchanging this kind of info (covoiturage and so) but it is about sharing car and costs, not for free-hhiking.<br />
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Love, see you on the road! <br />
Driver [[User:Mirto|Mirto]] 15:18, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi! We have [[Picking up hitchhikers]], but yeah, it would be good to have a bit more. I'll be sitting next to Marc this week, and me we can hack set up something in Drupal. For now, maybe we can have a wiki [[rideboard]]? [[User:Guaka|guaka]] 01:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Wiki Extensions ==<br />
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What do you think about the idea to use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection Collecion Extension] for Mediawiki? So you could create your personal Hitchhikers guide for travelling. You just mark the pages you need in the wiki, and then you can export your collection as pdf or odf). You can see it at [http://www.wikivoyage.org/de Wikivoyage] how it works.<br />
Good for the travellers who don't take any PC while being on the road.<br />
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:It looks interesting, though it takes more than 10 seconds to see how it works at Wikivoyage... [[User:Guaka|guaka]] 18:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah, sounds good. I'll try to install it tomorrow when I'm sober again --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 21:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== License ==<br />
=== GFDL -> CC-BY-SA ===<br />
[http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html GFDL 1.3] was released. With that we can move to the Creative Commons ShareAlike Attribution 3.0 license! [[User:Guaka|guaka]] 17:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
: I think we should take that chance. We mainly have GFDL to be compatible to wikipedia, if I remember correctly. Now that Wikipedia seems to switch...<br />
: How can we do it? I've got some questions there: What about the changes that were made after November 2008? We should probably give anyone the chance to give their opinion. Maybe with a discussion page – maybe one per language – that we advertise with one of these annoying global messages that get shown on top of each page? ''[[User:MrTweek|MrTweeeak]]...'' :-) --[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 10:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Jep, I'm for! Wasn't there a discussion about this somewhere on the wiki already? Can't find it back...anyway, what about a discussion/vote on hitchwiki asap (according to what Speckmade said [[de:Tramperwiki_Diskussion:Portal#Lizenz|here]])? --[[User:Platschi|Platschi]] 14:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I think its high time for a licensing change here at Hitchwiki.<br />
(A little background: For a limited period of time - til august this year - the most recent version of the GFDL offers the one-time chance to switch to the similar Creative Commons license ''Attribution-Share Alike''. This seems to be the more reasonable thing for wikis as comapred to the GFDL that is designed especially for documentation of software. Wikipedia has finally decided to move, which removes our main reason to stay with GFDL here.)<br />
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The clock is ticking. How do people feel about it?<br />
Should we also go for double licensing like Wikipedia?--[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 14:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: My proposal is to switch to Creative Commons completely. Does anybody disagree? If not, I will do this some time in July. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 14:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with this change (double licensing as in WP)--[[User:Kimdime69|Kimdime69]] 19:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Sorry, for being not clear enough. I prefer CC-only and completely dropping GFDL. Otherwise we would need to mark each articles according to the licence.<br />
:::If we copy stuff from CC or GFDL sites, it can't be double licensed. I think that's too much hassle for most users (even I don't want to do that).<br />
:::If wikipedia switches to CC, I guess there won't be many GFDL sites left anyway. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 20:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Ok, I got it;)--[[User:Kimdime69|Kimdime69]] 22:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==start page redesign==<br />
I'm doing some work on the start page, feel free to [[Hitchwiki_talk:Start_Page#Redesign|join and discuss]]. [[User:Guaka|guaka]] 02:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== we want to write in Chinese! ==<br />
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Some Chinese hitchhiker here would like to use their native language here,Ok?<br />
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:Great! I think MrTweek can set it up. Simplified or traditional? Or both?<br />
:I've hitchhiked in [[China]] and I'm very curious about Chinese hitchhikers :) can you write [[User:Mipplor|a bit about yourself]]? [[User:Guaka|guaka]] 15:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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both is ok<br />
: Yeah, I will be happy to do that. However, I'd a little help from you, as I don't speak any chinese. Would you do that? Do you have, Jabber, ICQ, or MSN, or can I email you? --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 15:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
msn:wang-paul@hotmail.com<br />
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:This is amazing !!! :) --[[User:Platschi|Platschi]] 12:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Fantastic! Great work! --[[User:Quarim|Quarim]]12:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Polish version of hitchwiki ==<br />
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It will be wonderful, if we have the polish Hitchwiki. I think me and other polish hhikers can help expand it. Poland, as a very friendly country for hitchhikers, should have its own version of Hitchwiki. --[[User:Strzkrzysiek|Strzkrzysiek]] 10:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)</div>Strzkrzysiekhttps://hitchwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Poland&diff=34463Talk:Poland2009-07-10T10:15:54Z<p>Strzkrzysiek: </p>
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== Discussions ==<br />
===Chaos===<br />
We really need to clean up this article. Anyone speaks Polish? Or does anyone have contact to polish hitchhikers? Maybe we can even start a Polish version if hitchwiki. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 22:04, 3 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
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I'm very interested in it. I live in Poland and speak polish as well. Poland is very friendly country for hitchhikers and it's a bit sad that there is no polish version of hitchwiki. --[[User:Strzkrzysiek|Krzysiek]] 12:14, 10 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
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===General===<br />
General: Polish roads are not in a poor quality. Beside of that, hitchhikers should not mention the quality of roads, they should have other worries. The Polish road network has improved gigantically over the last 1.5 decade. The roads are fully up to doing what is demanded of them. If you say the roads are bad, it means you need better roads. But why do you need them? I do not understand that. Do you feel better with top end roads? Would you like over 10,000 km of fast motorways, as Polands western neighbour has? If so, why? Aren't you a simple hitchhiker. Take care and take your time.<br />
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Langauge: An insult to Poles! "are unable to speak". Hm. What to think of that. And still apart from that - I guess that about 1/4th of the Poles speaks English, 1/4th of the Poles speaks German (if just enough to travel - which is your goal - not to insult people be careful with what you say), all speak Polish and half of them speak Russian (if just a bit). Ten percent speak Lithuanian. Ten percent speak Czech or Slovakian. Five percent speaks French or Italian. Czy ty mowic pan po polsku?<br />
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Pozdrowienia Frank Verhart<br />
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*I know hardly anyone who would speak any Russian in Poland, apart from my friends studying either Russian studies or Eastern politics or guys doing business in Russia or Ukraine. I tried to use Russian in the street several times and was always asked if I could speak English instead. It may be different in the east of Poland but in Poznan you would probably make with Russian no better than with Czech or Slovak. [[User:85.221.209.245|85.221.209.245]] 13:39, 11 March 2007 (CET)<br />
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*Yes, that's fair. In the east of Poland many more people speak and understand Russian. However, situation is already quite different to my impression compared with my first visit to the country in 2001. Then I did not meet that many people who would easily speak English fluently without hesitation. Partially that also had to do with my way of travelling, which was camping on basic campsites and on bivouac fields (usually a field in the forest with a wooden toilet, sometimes also running water). Six years ago in my first visit to Poland, and first visit to a former "East block country" I described Poland as a country in a great transformation. The changes are going on all the time. Certainly, Poznan is more known as a city orientated on western Europe with many relations with Germany especially. There is a differnce between the west and the east of Poland in general. "Everything" east of Warsaw has been more under influence of Russian culture, Russian-Orthodox religion and historically wealth was always lower there, still is and as I suppose will also be. In the east of Poland I frequently got such answer like "No, but do you speak Russian?" when I asked if people spoke English or German. Five years ago I lived for three months in the village of Bialowieza, situated three kilometers from the Belarusian border. I rarely met local people speaking English there and even then there were people in the village who could only speak Russian (or Belarusian?), so I was told. Frank Verhart.<br />
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=== Hiking in Poland ===<br />
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Frankly speaking throughout my life I've never been to a country where hitchhiking was so easy. I know that such experiences differ from person to person, but in fact very seldom did I have to wait longer than 1,5 hour. In fact, when leaving most major towns the waiting time usually does not exceed 30 minutes. Especially if you find the customary hitchhiking place. Most drivers in Poland know such hot spots and stop there even if they don't see you waving. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 09:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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* My story would sound different. I just crossed poland from one end to the other and not one single driver stopped while I was standing (with or without sign or whatever). But nearly everybody took me if I managed to speak to a driver. Traffic lights were also great but no one even thought about stopping. [[User:92.195.223.108|92.195.223.108]] 16:59, 24 August 2008 (CEST) [felix]<br />
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====Hmmm...====<br />
I find some of this info at the front page hilarious. I think it all might be more confusing than facilitating. <br />
* I have never seen any of this old-village hitchhikers. This info looks like taken from some communistic guide book ;) Now they usually cycle or their neighbors or kids give them a ride. I have never seen ANYONE expecting any kind of payment for hitchhiking. And I was hitching a lot in the countryside, also without backpack. I postulate removing this info from front page.<br />
* I would say hand hitchhing and sign hitchhing are at least 50/50. It is nothing rare to hitch with sign. If some foreigner reads this page, can drop down idea of sign hitching, which, I think would be best for him. <br />
* In my opinion and from my experience, Poland is one of best countries in EU to hitch. And, important to notice, I have never had any nasty behaviour on the road, as for example driver showing middle finger or so. But it is so maybe cos Im polish ;) <br><br />
Guys, what are your experiences?? [[User:Mirto|Mirto]] 15:30, 30 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
: Basically, if you are very sure about your opinion, you can always change everything. I once hitched there with a sign and it worked quite well. I find a sign always good if I don't speak the countries language, because it's much harder to explain where I want to go. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 20:32, 30 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
:: Yep, then signs are the way to go, although the article is right that not all Polish use signs or use them rarely.--[[User:Fverhart|Fverhart]] 12:06, 1 September 2008 (CEST)<br />
:: I can be very sure of all my opinions, it doesnt change that they might be wrong. Experience of one shouldn't be generalized, even if it is MY experience and even if I am 100percent sure of it :P That is why I am asking. If you have similar opinion as mine, just change text :) [[User:Mirto|Mirto]] 22:32, 30 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
: Czesc Lena. I think that the whole article about Poland is quite in order. On my travels in Poland I frequently see the local people who stand for lifts to the next village for shopping or visiting people for example. I see many people hitching with their thumb. It is important to describe hitchhiking in Poland accurately. Personally I can't fully understand the ways to hitchhike in Poland without knowing about the situation in the past, the Polish society. Hm, yep of course it's well possible to hitch in Poland without a sign. The reason, because drivers as Polish people are more inclined in their way of being to help other travellers, Poles feel more related to others with whom they live, and translated into autostop-habits they are more curious where the other one on the road wants to go to. More than Germans and obviously extremely much more than Dutch. Well, the article about Poland seems to be rather in order. Feel free to change. About leaving a small tip in the car; in that case I'm also very curious to the situation in the past, and if such habit used to exist, when it has faded out. But it's always Polish and other Slavic drivers that make me feel like leaving a little tip just on the seat, also sometimes when I would be staying there with local people. But anyway, doesn't matter ;) --[[User:Fverhart|Fverhart]] 11:59, 1 September 2008 (CEST)<br />
==Reorganising==<br />
I started to reorganise Polish pages, as I also noted some mess here. <br />
First of all I edited a bit general info about Poland. I've been hitching through out Poland for more than 15 years and for example never been asked for a tip and I heard of only one story like that. Maybe it was like that in the past in some regions, but I think not anymore. So I changed that info to not make people think they have to prepare some tip.<br />
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I'm skeptic about information about languages spoken in Poland. "42% of Poles speak at least one foreign language fluently" sounds incredible for me. But there is source shown, so I'm not sure if it needs to be changed.<br />
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I try to rewrite all the city pages using the same pattern: first Hitching Out, then directions written in that manner: e.g. West towards xxx; under direction additional information about road number as for many people it's important, and there will be more and more places connected by old national road and new motorway or expressway. I think it's good to use italics for places names in Polish and bold italics for the most important names as name of the bus/tram stop you should get off. After that Hitching In information when needed. Some cities have bypasses and motorways in their suburbs. You need info of how to get to town from such remote places. After hitching info there may be some info about Public Transport and after that additional information on Eating and Sleeping. This pattern is based on some Western European cities. If you're going to edit Polish city pages check out [[Poznań]] for example to see how it looks.</div>Strzkrzysiekhttps://hitchwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Poland&diff=34462Talk:Poland2009-07-10T10:14:55Z<p>Strzkrzysiek: </p>
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== Discussions ==<br />
===Chaos===<br />
We really need to clean up this article. Anyone speaks Polish? Or does anyone have contact to polish hitchhikers? Maybe we can even start a Polish version if hitchwiki. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 22:04, 3 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
I'm very interested in it. I live in Poland and speak polish as well. Poland is very friendly country for hitchhikers and it's a bit sad that there is no polish version of hitchwiki. --[[User:Strzkrzysiek|Krzysiek]] 12:14, 10 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
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===General===<br />
General: Polish roads are not in a poor quality. Beside of that, hitchhikers should not mention the quality of roads, they should have other worries. The Polish road network has improved gigantically over the last 1.5 decade. The roads are fully up to doing what is demanded of them. If you say the roads are bad, it means you need better roads. But why do you need them? I do not understand that. Do you feel better with top end roads? Would you like over 10,000 km of fast motorways, as Polands western neighbour has? If so, why? Aren't you a simple hitchhiker. Take care and take your time.<br />
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Langauge: An insult to Poles! "are unable to speak". Hm. What to think of that. And still apart from that - I guess that about 1/4th of the Poles speaks English, 1/4th of the Poles speaks German (if just enough to travel - which is your goal - not to insult people be careful with what you say), all speak Polish and half of them speak Russian (if just a bit). Ten percent speak Lithuanian. Ten percent speak Czech or Slovakian. Five percent speaks French or Italian. Czy ty mowic pan po polsku?<br />
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Pozdrowienia Frank Verhart<br />
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*I know hardly anyone who would speak any Russian in Poland, apart from my friends studying either Russian studies or Eastern politics or guys doing business in Russia or Ukraine. I tried to use Russian in the street several times and was always asked if I could speak English instead. It may be different in the east of Poland but in Poznan you would probably make with Russian no better than with Czech or Slovak. [[User:85.221.209.245|85.221.209.245]] 13:39, 11 March 2007 (CET)<br />
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*Yes, that's fair. In the east of Poland many more people speak and understand Russian. However, situation is already quite different to my impression compared with my first visit to the country in 2001. Then I did not meet that many people who would easily speak English fluently without hesitation. Partially that also had to do with my way of travelling, which was camping on basic campsites and on bivouac fields (usually a field in the forest with a wooden toilet, sometimes also running water). Six years ago in my first visit to Poland, and first visit to a former "East block country" I described Poland as a country in a great transformation. The changes are going on all the time. Certainly, Poznan is more known as a city orientated on western Europe with many relations with Germany especially. There is a differnce between the west and the east of Poland in general. "Everything" east of Warsaw has been more under influence of Russian culture, Russian-Orthodox religion and historically wealth was always lower there, still is and as I suppose will also be. In the east of Poland I frequently got such answer like "No, but do you speak Russian?" when I asked if people spoke English or German. Five years ago I lived for three months in the village of Bialowieza, situated three kilometers from the Belarusian border. I rarely met local people speaking English there and even then there were people in the village who could only speak Russian (or Belarusian?), so I was told. Frank Verhart.<br />
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=== Hiking in Poland ===<br />
<br />
Frankly speaking throughout my life I've never been to a country where hitchhiking was so easy. I know that such experiences differ from person to person, but in fact very seldom did I have to wait longer than 1,5 hour. In fact, when leaving most major towns the waiting time usually does not exceed 30 minutes. Especially if you find the customary hitchhiking place. Most drivers in Poland know such hot spots and stop there even if they don't see you waving. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 09:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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* My story would sound different. I just crossed poland from one end to the other and not one single driver stopped while I was standing (with or without sign or whatever). But nearly everybody took me if I managed to speak to a driver. Traffic lights were also great but no one even thought about stopping. [[User:92.195.223.108|92.195.223.108]] 16:59, 24 August 2008 (CEST) [felix]<br />
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====Hmmm...====<br />
I find some of this info at the front page hilarious. I think it all might be more confusing than facilitating. <br />
* I have never seen any of this old-village hitchhikers. This info looks like taken from some communistic guide book ;) Now they usually cycle or their neighbors or kids give them a ride. I have never seen ANYONE expecting any kind of payment for hitchhiking. And I was hitching a lot in the countryside, also without backpack. I postulate removing this info from front page.<br />
* I would say hand hitchhing and sign hitchhing are at least 50/50. It is nothing rare to hitch with sign. If some foreigner reads this page, can drop down idea of sign hitching, which, I think would be best for him. <br />
* In my opinion and from my experience, Poland is one of best countries in EU to hitch. And, important to notice, I have never had any nasty behaviour on the road, as for example driver showing middle finger or so. But it is so maybe cos Im polish ;) <br><br />
Guys, what are your experiences?? [[User:Mirto|Mirto]] 15:30, 30 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
: Basically, if you are very sure about your opinion, you can always change everything. I once hitched there with a sign and it worked quite well. I find a sign always good if I don't speak the countries language, because it's much harder to explain where I want to go. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]] 20:32, 30 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
:: Yep, then signs are the way to go, although the article is right that not all Polish use signs or use them rarely.--[[User:Fverhart|Fverhart]] 12:06, 1 September 2008 (CEST)<br />
:: I can be very sure of all my opinions, it doesnt change that they might be wrong. Experience of one shouldn't be generalized, even if it is MY experience and even if I am 100percent sure of it :P That is why I am asking. If you have similar opinion as mine, just change text :) [[User:Mirto|Mirto]] 22:32, 30 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
: Czesc Lena. I think that the whole article about Poland is quite in order. On my travels in Poland I frequently see the local people who stand for lifts to the next village for shopping or visiting people for example. I see many people hitching with their thumb. It is important to describe hitchhiking in Poland accurately. Personally I can't fully understand the ways to hitchhike in Poland without knowing about the situation in the past, the Polish society. Hm, yep of course it's well possible to hitch in Poland without a sign. The reason, because drivers as Polish people are more inclined in their way of being to help other travellers, Poles feel more related to others with whom they live, and translated into autostop-habits they are more curious where the other one on the road wants to go to. More than Germans and obviously extremely much more than Dutch. Well, the article about Poland seems to be rather in order. Feel free to change. About leaving a small tip in the car; in that case I'm also very curious to the situation in the past, and if such habit used to exist, when it has faded out. But it's always Polish and other Slavic drivers that make me feel like leaving a little tip just on the seat, also sometimes when I would be staying there with local people. But anyway, doesn't matter ;) --[[User:Fverhart|Fverhart]] 11:59, 1 September 2008 (CEST)<br />
==Reorganising==<br />
I started to reorganise Polish pages, as I also noted some mess here. <br />
First of all I edited a bit general info about Poland. I've been hitching through out Poland for more than 15 years and for example never been asked for a tip and I heard of only one story like that. Maybe it was like that in the past in some regions, but I think not anymore. So I changed that info to not make people think they have to prepare some tip.<br />
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I'm skeptic about information about languages spoken in Poland. "42% of Poles speak at least one foreign language fluently" sounds incredible for me. But there is source shown, so I'm not sure if it needs to be changed.<br />
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I try to rewrite all the city pages using the same pattern: first Hitching Out, then directions written in that manner: e.g. West towards xxx; under direction additional information about road number as for many people it's important, and there will be more and more places connected by old national road and new motorway or expressway. I think it's good to use italics for places names in Polish and bold italics for the most important names as name of the bus/tram stop you should get off. After that Hitching In information when needed. Some cities have bypasses and motorways in their suburbs. You need info of how to get to town from such remote places. After hitching info there may be some info about Public Transport and after that additional information on Eating and Sleeping. This pattern is based on some Western European cities. If you're going to edit Polish city pages check out [[Poznań]] for example to see how it looks.</div>Strzkrzysiek