https://hitchwiki.org/en/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Beatnickgr&feedformat=atomHitchwiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-19T08:12:29ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.32.3https://hitchwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Athens&diff=102445Athens2021-09-21T07:41:15Z<p>Beatnickgr: /* South to Sounio */</p>
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<div><br />
{{Infobox Location<br />
|country = Greece<br />
|name_native = Αθήνα, Athína<br />
|state = Attiki<br />
|map = <map lat='38.04' lng='23.75' zoom='10' /><br />
|pop = 3.827.624 in 2011 (not including migrants)<br />
|motorways = [[A1 (Greece)|A1]], [[A6 (Greece)|A6]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Athens''' is the capital of [[Greece]].<br />
<br />
== Hitching out ==<br />
<br />
<br />
=== North to [[Volos]], [[Thessaloniki]] {{E|75}} ===<br />
<br />
Take the metro line 1, till the last station "Kifissia". From there, [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.0738,23.8083;38.0728,23.8123 cross the park]. You'll find a busy bus stop, direction north, take the bus [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10149229 509]<br />
<br />
Get off the bus after 30 min, at bus stop "Neo Terma", at the end of Agios Stefanos, when it makes a U-turn and continues back to the city. [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.1550,23.8573;38.1549,23.8558 Walk 300m] to the parallel of the high-way. It's quite busy with drivers avoiding toll station <br />
<br />
You can walk 3 km to that Afidnai Toll Station or wait for a short ride, who's gonna drop you there. Also 4 km after toll station is Kapandriti Motorway Rest Area with BP fuel station<br />
<br />
You can also catch a ride at the point where drivers who avoided the tolls are getting back into the high way. Half of the rides go to Halkida, and the other half go further North. Decline rides that don't go in your direction, they will only put you in a worse spot.<br />
<br />
For a place to sleep before [[Thessaloniki]], there is a [http://hitchwiki.org/maps/?zoom=15&lat=40.33&lon=22.58 24 hour rest area/gas station] in Korinos and it's called [https://olympusplaza.gr Olympus plaza]. It includes a restaurant with free wifi and showers. Nobody will disturb you if you sleep on the couches and workers of the restaurant often give food away.<br />
<br />
=== North-West to Thiva ===<br />
<br />
New spot, i cannot confirm the hitch-hikeability of this route: Take the suburban till Magoula. From there, take the bus [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10574507 861] till the last stop. There's only 35km left to Thiva.<br />
<br />
=== West to [[Patra]] or [[Tripoli]] {{E|94}} ===<br />
<br />
==== Option 1: Megara SEA ====<br />
<br />
Take the suburban train direction Kiato, and get down in Megara. The controller always gets on the train in Nea Peramos, in the 1st or 5th (last) wagon. You can either :<br />
<br />
A) stay in the 3rd wagon, and when you see the control approaching, go the opposite direction. If the train is full, the control might be slow and you might arrive in Megara before they reach you. If they catch you without a ticket, you wont pay any fine, but just the 3 euro ticket. From the train platform of Megara, you can see the restaurant / petrol station. Cross the field, and find this [https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?route=37.992%2C23.361%3B37.995%2C23.365 underground pass]<br />
<br />
B) go down in Nea Peramos and try to find a [https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?route=38.0128%2C23.4148%3B37.9954%2C23.3646 5km ride to Megara].<br />
<br />
There are not many cars stopping there, but you can get a long ride. The intersection to Patra or Tripoli is just 40km away, be sure to ask for the correct direction before accepting the ride.<br />
<br />
==== Option 2: National Road 8 ====<br />
<br />
From Ag.Marina Metro Station (end of blue line) buses [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3648632 A16] or [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3648599 865].<br />
<br />
From Pireas Metro Station (end of green line), bus [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10014511 871].<br />
<br />
Get off at 1st Aerodromiou Stop or Levkes Stop. There you will see the connection with National Road 8 (N8).<br />
<br />
==== Option 3 : Eleusina Toll Station ====<br />
<br />
With the same buses of option 2, you get off at Platia Elefsinas and [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.0431,23.5420;38.0420,23.4962 walk 5.3km] to Eleusina Toll Station.<br />
<br />
=== South to [[Sounio]] ===<br />
<br />
Take the bus [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6753887 122] from metro Elliniko to Saronida, go down at the last stop, walk along the coast to get out of Saronida, and from there you can hitch-hike to Sounio.<br />
<br />
== Public Transport ==<br />
<br />
The metro has automatic doors. Black riding is quite common. We wait that somebody opens it with their ticket and we follow them. <br />
<br />
Usually the controls are at the metro intersections (Syntagma, Omonia, Attiki, Monastiraki), where they hide behind the turns of the connecting corridors. If they catch you without a ticket, show them your passport, but don't pay the fine. Till now, nobody saw their fines redirected to their countries. <br />
<br />
In nearly all stations, that are not underground you can also easily jump/climp the fence. In some underground stop points you can also jump easily small walls (for example 0,5m in Omonia) aside of the regular check points). Watch out for securities.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Ferry from/to Athens ==<br />
<br />
It is quite common to buy a ticket on the port (of Piraeus - south of Athens) for a ferry to the first stop, but getting off later. They never check you when you leave the ferry. Seldomly they check the people that are waiting downstairs for leaving the ferry.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Nomadwiki & Trashwiki ==<br />
<br />
{{nomadwiki}}</div>Beatnickgrhttps://hitchwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Athens&diff=102444Athens2021-09-21T07:38:14Z<p>Beatnickgr: /* West to Patra or Tripoli {{E|94}} */</p>
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<div><br />
{{Infobox Location<br />
|country = Greece<br />
|name_native = Αθήνα, Athína<br />
|state = Attiki<br />
|map = <map lat='38.04' lng='23.75' zoom='10' /><br />
|pop = 3.827.624 in 2011 (not including migrants)<br />
|motorways = [[A1 (Greece)|A1]], [[A6 (Greece)|A6]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Athens''' is the capital of [[Greece]].<br />
<br />
== Hitching out ==<br />
<br />
<br />
=== North to [[Volos]], [[Thessaloniki]] {{E|75}} ===<br />
<br />
Take the metro line 1, till the last station "Kifissia". From there, [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.0738,23.8083;38.0728,23.8123 cross the park]. You'll find a busy bus stop, direction north, take the bus [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10149229 509]<br />
<br />
Get off the bus after 30 min, at bus stop "Neo Terma", at the end of Agios Stefanos, when it makes a U-turn and continues back to the city. [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.1550,23.8573;38.1549,23.8558 Walk 300m] to the parallel of the high-way. It's quite busy with drivers avoiding toll station <br />
<br />
You can walk 3 km to that Afidnai Toll Station or wait for a short ride, who's gonna drop you there. Also 4 km after toll station is Kapandriti Motorway Rest Area with BP fuel station<br />
<br />
You can also catch a ride at the point where drivers who avoided the tolls are getting back into the high way. Half of the rides go to Halkida, and the other half go further North. Decline rides that don't go in your direction, they will only put you in a worse spot.<br />
<br />
For a place to sleep before [[Thessaloniki]], there is a [http://hitchwiki.org/maps/?zoom=15&lat=40.33&lon=22.58 24 hour rest area/gas station] in Korinos and it's called [https://olympusplaza.gr Olympus plaza]. It includes a restaurant with free wifi and showers. Nobody will disturb you if you sleep on the couches and workers of the restaurant often give food away.<br />
<br />
=== North-West to Thiva ===<br />
<br />
New spot, i cannot confirm the hitch-hikeability of this route: Take the suburban till Magoula. From there, take the bus [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10574507 861] till the last stop. There's only 35km left to Thiva.<br />
<br />
=== West to [[Patra]] or [[Tripoli]] {{E|94}} ===<br />
<br />
==== Option 1: Megara SEA ====<br />
<br />
Take the suburban train direction Kiato, and get down in Megara. The controller always gets on the train in Nea Peramos, in the 1st or 5th (last) wagon. You can either :<br />
<br />
A) stay in the 3rd wagon, and when you see the control approaching, go the opposite direction. If the train is full, the control might be slow and you might arrive in Megara before they reach you. If they catch you without a ticket, you wont pay any fine, but just the 3 euro ticket. From the train platform of Megara, you can see the restaurant / petrol station. Cross the field, and find this [https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?route=37.992%2C23.361%3B37.995%2C23.365 underground pass]<br />
<br />
B) go down in Nea Peramos and try to find a [https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?route=38.0128%2C23.4148%3B37.9954%2C23.3646 5km ride to Megara].<br />
<br />
There are not many cars stopping there, but you can get a long ride. The intersection to Patra or Tripoli is just 40km away, be sure to ask for the correct direction before accepting the ride.<br />
<br />
==== Option 2: National Road 8 ====<br />
<br />
From Ag.Marina Metro Station (end of blue line) buses [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3648632 A16] or [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3648599 865].<br />
<br />
From Pireas Metro Station (end of green line), bus [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10014511 871].<br />
<br />
Get off at 1st Aerodromiou Stop or Levkes Stop. There you will see the connection with National Road 8 (N8).<br />
<br />
==== Option 3 : Eleusina Toll Station ====<br />
<br />
With the same buses of option 2, you get off at Platia Elefsinas and [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.0431,23.5420;38.0420,23.4962 walk 5.3km] to Eleusina Toll Station.<br />
<br />
=== South to [[Sounio]] ===<br />
<br />
Take the bus [http://www.oasa.gr/xpmap.php?id=p122&lang=en 122] from metro Elliniko to Saronida, go down at the last stop, walk along the coast to get out of Saronida, and from there you can hitch-hike to Sounio.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Public Transport ==<br />
<br />
The metro has automatic doors. Black riding is quite common. We wait that somebody opens it with their ticket and we follow them. <br />
<br />
Usually the controls are at the metro intersections (Syntagma, Omonia, Attiki, Monastiraki), where they hide behind the turns of the connecting corridors. If they catch you without a ticket, show them your passport, but don't pay the fine. Till now, nobody saw their fines redirected to their countries. <br />
<br />
In nearly all stations, that are not underground you can also easily jump/climp the fence. In some underground stop points you can also jump easily small walls (for example 0,5m in Omonia) aside of the regular check points). Watch out for securities.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Ferry from/to Athens ==<br />
<br />
It is quite common to buy a ticket on the port (of Piraeus - south of Athens) for a ferry to the first stop, but getting off later. They never check you when you leave the ferry. Seldomly they check the people that are waiting downstairs for leaving the ferry.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Nomadwiki & Trashwiki ==<br />
<br />
{{nomadwiki}}</div>Beatnickgrhttps://hitchwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Athens&diff=102443Athens2021-09-21T07:29:59Z<p>Beatnickgr: /* North-West to Thiva */</p>
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<div><br />
{{Infobox Location<br />
|country = Greece<br />
|name_native = Αθήνα, Athína<br />
|state = Attiki<br />
|map = <map lat='38.04' lng='23.75' zoom='10' /><br />
|pop = 3.827.624 in 2011 (not including migrants)<br />
|motorways = [[A1 (Greece)|A1]], [[A6 (Greece)|A6]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Athens''' is the capital of [[Greece]].<br />
<br />
== Hitching out ==<br />
<br />
<br />
=== North to [[Volos]], [[Thessaloniki]] {{E|75}} ===<br />
<br />
Take the metro line 1, till the last station "Kifissia". From there, [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.0738,23.8083;38.0728,23.8123 cross the park]. You'll find a busy bus stop, direction north, take the bus [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10149229 509]<br />
<br />
Get off the bus after 30 min, at bus stop "Neo Terma", at the end of Agios Stefanos, when it makes a U-turn and continues back to the city. [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.1550,23.8573;38.1549,23.8558 Walk 300m] to the parallel of the high-way. It's quite busy with drivers avoiding toll station <br />
<br />
You can walk 3 km to that Afidnai Toll Station or wait for a short ride, who's gonna drop you there. Also 4 km after toll station is Kapandriti Motorway Rest Area with BP fuel station<br />
<br />
You can also catch a ride at the point where drivers who avoided the tolls are getting back into the high way. Half of the rides go to Halkida, and the other half go further North. Decline rides that don't go in your direction, they will only put you in a worse spot.<br />
<br />
For a place to sleep before [[Thessaloniki]], there is a [http://hitchwiki.org/maps/?zoom=15&lat=40.33&lon=22.58 24 hour rest area/gas station] in Korinos and it's called [https://olympusplaza.gr Olympus plaza]. It includes a restaurant with free wifi and showers. Nobody will disturb you if you sleep on the couches and workers of the restaurant often give food away.<br />
<br />
=== North-West to Thiva ===<br />
<br />
New spot, i cannot confirm the hitch-hikeability of this route: Take the suburban till Magoula. From there, take the bus [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10574507 861] till the last stop. There's only 35km left to Thiva.<br />
<br />
=== West to [[Patra]] or [[Tripoli]] {{E|94}} ===<br />
<br />
==== Option 1: Megara SEA ====<br />
<br />
Take the suburban train direction Kiato, and get down in Megara. The controller always gets on the train in Nea Peramos, in the 1st or 5th (last) wagon. You can either :<br />
<br />
A) stay in the 3rd wagon, and when you see the control approaching, go the opposite direction. If the train is full, the control might be slow and you might arrive in Megara before they reach you. If they catch you without a ticket, you wont pay any fine, but just the 3 euro ticket. From the train platform of Megara, you can see the restaurant / petrol station. Cross the field, and find this [https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?route=37.992%2C23.361%3B37.995%2C23.365 underground pass]<br />
<br />
B) go down in Nea Peramos and try to find a [https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?route=38.0128%2C23.4148%3B37.9954%2C23.3646 5km ride to Megara].<br />
<br />
There are not many cars stopping there, but you can get a long ride. The intersection to Patra or Tripoli is just 40km away, be sure to ask for the correct direction before accepting the ride.<br />
<br />
==== Option 2: National Road 8 ====<br />
<br />
From Ag.Marina Metro Station (end of blue line) buses [https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.997,23.668/38.057,23.52/ A16 or 865].<br />
<br />
From Pireas Metro Station (end of green line), bus [https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.949,23.642/38.036,23.539/ 871].<br />
<br />
Get off at 1st Aerodromiou Stop or Levkes Stop. There you will see the connection with National Road 8 (N8).<br />
<br />
==== Option 3 : Eleusina Toll Station ====<br />
<br />
With the same buses of option 2, you get off at Platia Elefsinas and [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.0431,23.5420;38.0420,23.4962 walk 5.3km] to Eleusina Toll Station.<br />
<br />
<br />
=== South to [[Sounio]] ===<br />
<br />
Take the bus [http://www.oasa.gr/xpmap.php?id=p122&lang=en 122] from metro Elliniko to Saronida, go down at the last stop, walk along the coast to get out of Saronida, and from there you can hitch-hike to Sounio.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Public Transport ==<br />
<br />
The metro has automatic doors. Black riding is quite common. We wait that somebody opens it with their ticket and we follow them. <br />
<br />
Usually the controls are at the metro intersections (Syntagma, Omonia, Attiki, Monastiraki), where they hide behind the turns of the connecting corridors. If they catch you without a ticket, show them your passport, but don't pay the fine. Till now, nobody saw their fines redirected to their countries. <br />
<br />
In nearly all stations, that are not underground you can also easily jump/climp the fence. In some underground stop points you can also jump easily small walls (for example 0,5m in Omonia) aside of the regular check points). Watch out for securities.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Ferry from/to Athens ==<br />
<br />
It is quite common to buy a ticket on the port (of Piraeus - south of Athens) for a ferry to the first stop, but getting off later. They never check you when you leave the ferry. Seldomly they check the people that are waiting downstairs for leaving the ferry.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Nomadwiki & Trashwiki ==<br />
<br />
{{nomadwiki}}</div>Beatnickgrhttps://hitchwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Athens&diff=102442Athens2021-09-21T07:29:30Z<p>Beatnickgr: /* North to Volos, Thessaloniki {{E|75}} */</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
{{Infobox Location<br />
|country = Greece<br />
|name_native = Αθήνα, Athína<br />
|state = Attiki<br />
|map = <map lat='38.04' lng='23.75' zoom='10' /><br />
|pop = 3.827.624 in 2011 (not including migrants)<br />
|motorways = [[A1 (Greece)|A1]], [[A6 (Greece)|A6]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Athens''' is the capital of [[Greece]].<br />
<br />
== Hitching out ==<br />
<br />
<br />
=== North to [[Volos]], [[Thessaloniki]] {{E|75}} ===<br />
<br />
Take the metro line 1, till the last station "Kifissia". From there, [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.0738,23.8083;38.0728,23.8123 cross the park]. You'll find a busy bus stop, direction north, take the bus [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10149229 509]<br />
<br />
Get off the bus after 30 min, at bus stop "Neo Terma", at the end of Agios Stefanos, when it makes a U-turn and continues back to the city. [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.1550,23.8573;38.1549,23.8558 Walk 300m] to the parallel of the high-way. It's quite busy with drivers avoiding toll station <br />
<br />
You can walk 3 km to that Afidnai Toll Station or wait for a short ride, who's gonna drop you there. Also 4 km after toll station is Kapandriti Motorway Rest Area with BP fuel station<br />
<br />
You can also catch a ride at the point where drivers who avoided the tolls are getting back into the high way. Half of the rides go to Halkida, and the other half go further North. Decline rides that don't go in your direction, they will only put you in a worse spot.<br />
<br />
For a place to sleep before [[Thessaloniki]], there is a [http://hitchwiki.org/maps/?zoom=15&lat=40.33&lon=22.58 24 hour rest area/gas station] in Korinos and it's called [https://olympusplaza.gr Olympus plaza]. It includes a restaurant with free wifi and showers. Nobody will disturb you if you sleep on the couches and workers of the restaurant often give food away.<br />
<br />
=== North-West to Thiva ===<br />
<br />
New spot, i cannot confirm the hitch-hikeability of this route: Take the suburban till Magoula. From there, take the bus [https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.070,23.717/38.12,23.417/ 861] till the last stop. There's only 35km left to Thiva.<br />
<br />
<br />
=== West to [[Patra]] or [[Tripoli]] {{E|94}} ===<br />
<br />
==== Option 1: Megara SEA ====<br />
<br />
Take the suburban train direction Kiato, and get down in Megara. The controller always gets on the train in Nea Peramos, in the 1st or 5th (last) wagon. You can either :<br />
<br />
A) stay in the 3rd wagon, and when you see the control approaching, go the opposite direction. If the train is full, the control might be slow and you might arrive in Megara before they reach you. If they catch you without a ticket, you wont pay any fine, but just the 3 euro ticket. From the train platform of Megara, you can see the restaurant / petrol station. Cross the field, and find this [https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?route=37.992%2C23.361%3B37.995%2C23.365 underground pass]<br />
<br />
B) go down in Nea Peramos and try to find a [https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?route=38.0128%2C23.4148%3B37.9954%2C23.3646 5km ride to Megara].<br />
<br />
There are not many cars stopping there, but you can get a long ride. The intersection to Patra or Tripoli is just 40km away, be sure to ask for the correct direction before accepting the ride.<br />
<br />
==== Option 2: National Road 8 ====<br />
<br />
From Ag.Marina Metro Station (end of blue line) buses [https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.997,23.668/38.057,23.52/ A16 or 865].<br />
<br />
From Pireas Metro Station (end of green line), bus [https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.949,23.642/38.036,23.539/ 871].<br />
<br />
Get off at 1st Aerodromiou Stop or Levkes Stop. There you will see the connection with National Road 8 (N8).<br />
<br />
==== Option 3 : Eleusina Toll Station ====<br />
<br />
With the same buses of option 2, you get off at Platia Elefsinas and [http://osm.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=38.0431,23.5420;38.0420,23.4962 walk 5.3km] to Eleusina Toll Station.<br />
<br />
<br />
=== South to [[Sounio]] ===<br />
<br />
Take the bus [http://www.oasa.gr/xpmap.php?id=p122&lang=en 122] from metro Elliniko to Saronida, go down at the last stop, walk along the coast to get out of Saronida, and from there you can hitch-hike to Sounio.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Public Transport ==<br />
<br />
The metro has automatic doors. Black riding is quite common. We wait that somebody opens it with their ticket and we follow them. <br />
<br />
Usually the controls are at the metro intersections (Syntagma, Omonia, Attiki, Monastiraki), where they hide behind the turns of the connecting corridors. If they catch you without a ticket, show them your passport, but don't pay the fine. Till now, nobody saw their fines redirected to their countries. <br />
<br />
In nearly all stations, that are not underground you can also easily jump/climp the fence. In some underground stop points you can also jump easily small walls (for example 0,5m in Omonia) aside of the regular check points). Watch out for securities.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Ferry from/to Athens ==<br />
<br />
It is quite common to buy a ticket on the port (of Piraeus - south of Athens) for a ferry to the first stop, but getting off later. They never check you when you leave the ferry. Seldomly they check the people that are waiting downstairs for leaving the ferry.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Nomadwiki & Trashwiki ==<br />
<br />
{{nomadwiki}}</div>Beatnickgrhttps://hitchwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Irningston&diff=87934User talk:Irningston2017-05-14T22:49:52Z<p>Beatnickgr: </p>
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<div>I am happy to see your recent additions on Costa Rica, but please don't write in the first person on Hitchwiki ("no one I spoke to had ever heard of 'Cuatros bomberos'"). Hitchwiki aims to offer generalized advice independent of any one editor. If you absolutely must specify that something was personal experience, write in the third person and link to your username. (Also, please be careful to use correct spelling and grammar.) Thanks! [[User:CRCulver|CRCulver]] ([[User talk:CRCulver|talk]]) 00:16, 8 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
:Where are you getting this from, about the prohibition against first person? I see first person used throughout hitchwiki, and I find it very useful. Are there community agreed-upon policies and guidelines you are referring to? -- [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 23:43, 8 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
:: That articles should be written in 3rd person has been the consensus for years now. See e.g. [[Help:Todo|here]]. Hitchwiki is full of tips in the first-person because many hitchhikers sign up for an account and start posting their advice without learning the preferred style first. I and other editors try to give new editors a heads-up when we can, but there's not always someone around to clean up the first-person edits they've already made. First person is decidely '''not''' useful on a wiki site: any article can have multiple editors, so the reader has no idea who "I" refers to. That's why it's better to write in the third person and link to your username. [[User:CRCulver|CRCulver]] ([[User talk:CRCulver|talk]]) 02:28, 9 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
:::I don't see how one edit by one person a few years ago represents consensus. Just because no one changed it doesn't mean there's consensus there. Has there been discussion around this issue? That page, for example, doesn't even have a Talk: page. So there was obviously no discussion there.<br />
:::While you don't see the usefulness of first person on a wiki site, there's room for debate. Certainly all of the editors who create new accounts and edit in the first person seem to disagree with you. -- [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 22:00, 9 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
:::: Consensus is determined by those who actually stick around and discuss the matter, not people who create accounts, make a few hasty changes without researching Hitchwiki style, and then disappear. I've asked [[User:guaka]], the founder of Hitchwiki, to post here. He'll attest too that a preference for third-person writing goes back years. [[User:CRCulver|CRCulver]] ([[User talk:CRCulver|talk]]) 02:16, 10 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
:::::Who wouldn't stick around after receiving such a friendly welcome? But in order to "stick around ''and discuss the matter''", there needs to be an atmosphere of openness to discussion and a place where that discussion can take place. How is one supposed to research Hitchwiki style? [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 17:40, 10 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
::Hi Irningston. Think about someone else coming in who wants to improve an article? First person writing just doesn't work so well on a wiki. It's common wiki sense to avoid it and there's definitely a consensus on this among active long-term editors. It's okay to add stories in a first person writing, as a specifically marked section of the page, e.g. as in [[Panama City]]. Otherwise it's much better to write in 3rd person and link to your user page (tip: write something on it :) [[User:Guaka|guaka]] ([[User talk:Guaka|talk]]) 02:23, 10 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
:::But where's this consensus? I don't see any discussion or anything. Is it all happening on different user_talk pages? Or off-wiki? I expect more openness and transparency than just being told, "All the people who've been here a long time agree. Look, even the founder of the wiki will tell you so." Above, CRCulver complains of people who don't research Hitchwiki style, but there's literally no where to do that besides the articles themselves. [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 17:40, 10 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
:::: The community of active editors is so small that consensus about things like this tend to play out through casual discussion among us instead of bureaucratic processes. Plus, many of the active editors have long experience in other wiki projects, so the prohibition of first-person writing is just so bloody obvious that the need to spell it out clearly for new editors hasn't been felt as much as it perhaps should. If you think that guidelines to help those new to the site are missing, perhaps you'd like to volunteer? [[User:CRCulver|CRCulver]] ([[User talk:CRCulver|talk]]) 17:03, 11 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
:::::Are you sincerely inviting me to write editing guidelines for hitchwiki? Given that I have little experience with hitchwiki, am obviously unfamiliar with the norms here, and was therefore looking for these guidelines myself, I have a hard time taking you seriously, especially considering that what is "so bloody obvious" for the long-time consensus-makers is not so obvious to me. However, if there were somewhere for these discussions to take place, I would be more than happy to participate. [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 18:32, 11 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
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:::::: Well, I thought you might have suggestions on what kind of documentation should go up and where, and more experienced editors could fill it in. However, I'm happy to see that Wikivoyage already has a page against writing in the first person, and since Wikivoyage is CC-licenced, there shouldn't be a problem bringing it over to Hitchwiki. [[User:CRCulver|CRCulver]] ([[User talk:CRCulver|talk]]) 20:11, 12 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
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:::::: Welcome Irningston to Hitchwiki! Great you made a few first edits. For new users, as far as I remember, hitchwiki mentions on several places that new folks should just simply start editing and participating, and shouldn't care about lay-out and writing rules, see e.g. [[Hitchwiki:How_to_participate|How to participate]]: ''Add your knowledge to Hitchwiki. Just click edit (even on this page!) or create a new page. Don't worry about formatting or layout. There are a lot of keen eyes watching around and fixing stuff.'' It seems like the 1st/3rd person writing style (unwritten?) rule needs some more clarity, so maybe we could move the discussion to [[Hitchwiki:Community_Portal|discuss ideas, propose suggestions for improvements]] and place some more clear writing guidelines on more visible spots for editors. But, as said before, new users should, in my opinion, not care at all about guidelines in the first place. --[[User:Platschi|Platschi]] ([[User talk:Platschi|talk]]) 01:49, 13 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
:::::::Thanks. I appreciate your encouragement. But really, I'm not worried about formatting or layout but rather I was bothered by the lack of transparency regarding hitchwiki protocol. What does consensus mean at hitchwiki? It really came across as people with more experience than me telling me what to do because that's what they decided - no where for me to see how these decisions were made or by whom, much less participate in them myself. That was frustrating. I just took a look at [[[[Hitchwiki:Community_Portal]], and that definitely looks like it would be the place for these sorts of conversations. Thanks for showing me that. It's really good to know that that place exists even if it gets little use. [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 06:54, 13 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
:Irningston, check stuff in <nowiki>[[Category:Hitchwiki]]</nowiki> and comment and edit :) And please also read e.g. [[:wikivoyage:Wikivoyage:Use_of_pronouns|this article on wikivoyage]]. [[User:Guaka|guaka]] ([[User talk:Guaka|talk]]) 01:21, 12 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 06:54, 13 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Recent Changes Cleanup ==<br />
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I've added you to the group of users who can use the [[Special:RecentChangesCleanup|Recent Changes Cleanup]] add-on. Can you use it if you add the Welcome Template and when you make, hopefully not again, mass changes that don't really add anything useful to the visible Recent Changes page. The add-on sets the "bot"-bit, hiding changes until you click the "Show bots" link. [[User:Prino|Prino]]<small><sup>[http://hitchwiki.org/prino/ blog], [[User talk:Prino|talk]]</sup></small> 14:51, 15 September 2015 (CEST)<br />
:Ok, just to make sure I understood: when I welcome new users or do other things that for whatever reason might be considered "bot-level" changes, I should visit that link you just gave me and click "Hide" next to those changes? -- [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 18:29, 15 September 2015 (CEST)<br />
::Yes, although "should" is too strong. It would be nice to do it, as it keeps only the '''real''' Recent Changes visible. Ditto for experimenting on your own page. It's not very interesting for others to see that User:Prino has been changing his user page(s) and rather than using '''Preview''', has used '''Save page''' 42 times. (No, I don't, but I do hide "''new trip''" the changes I make to my User and log pages) For what it's worth, I usually middle-click the '''Hide''' link as that stops the page from refreshing, which means you can hide a lot of entries very quickly, closing tabs is faster that scrolling down again and again. [[User:Prino|Prino]]<small><sup>[http://hitchwiki.org/prino/ blog], [[User talk:Prino|talk]]</sup></small> 21:38, 15 September 2015 (CEST)<br />
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Hey, thanks for the welcome message! I very like this wiki, and it's very useful for hitchhikers like me with few experience. Hope to see you around! --[[User:Francesc4052|Francesc4052]] ([[User talk:Francesc4052|talk]]) 22:57, 27 October 2015 (CET)<br />
:You're welcome! [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 19:44, 7 February 2016 (CET)<br />
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Hi, thank you for the warm welcome! I am mostly active on the map adding points, but from now and then I might add something to the wiki as well :) --[[User:Santa klaus|Santa klaus]] ([[User talk:Santa klaus|talk]]) 12:06, 26 January 2016 (CET)<br />
:You're welcome! [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 19:44, 7 February 2016 (CET)<br />
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== Fighting Spam ==<br />
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Hey Irningston,<br />
I just upgraded your user rights so you can now delete pages and block users. Don't hesitate doing this if you encounter any spam.<br />
Thanks for the great work :)<br />
--[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<sup>([[User_talk:MrTweek|talk]])</sup> 03:51, 5 May 2016 (CEST)<br />
:Wow, thanks! Hopefully I'll be able to put these new tools to good use! Cheers! -- [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 17:16, 5 May 2016 (CEST)<br />
:Thanks for your great work from me, too! -[[User:Mikael|Mikael]] ([[User talk:Mikael|talk]]) 11:46, 12 August 2016 (CEST)<br />
::Thanks for the appreciation! :) [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 03:17, 20 August 2016 (CEST)<br />
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Dr. Irningston, I presume? Thanks for the welcome! It's been a fun trip so far, although I'm getting pretty tired of standing alone at abandoned on-ramps for hours on end. Eurotour ftw. - [[User:Darkhawk|Darkhawk]] 2016<br />
:Not a problem! I'm glad you're having a good trip and can share your knowledge for others! :) Cheers, -- [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 20:23, 8 August 2016 (CEST)<br />
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Hello Darling! this whole nightmare of literacy and organisation and Wikis leaves me as usual, dithered as to whose page conversations should continue on etc and clueless about contributions and tools beyond the simple.<br />
Thankyou for your greeting.<br />
See I don't even know if this is the correct location to respond etc etc etc<br />
Can you even identify who wrote this??? Is that automated?<br />
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==Autopatrolled user group==<br />
Hey! I'm writing to you since you're writing welcome messages to new contributors (thanks for doing so!). I added a new " autopatrolled" user group which will remove red "!" symbol from edits of those members in recent changes list. Helps to give a quick glance which edits should be checked in case of spam. Feel free to add active members to to that group (and add very active people as admins). Cheers! - [[User:Mikael|Mikael]] ([[User talk:Mikael|talk]]) 08:27, 2 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Awesome, I'll do that! Cheers, -- [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 15:52, 13 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, [[User:Mikael]], I just tried to do add someone to that group, but I don't see where/how to do it. What do I have to do? -- [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 15:58, 13 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Irningston, I'm member since 2015, I didn't get why are you welcoming me now? 00:50 15 May 2017 UTC</div>Beatnickgrhttps://hitchwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Paris&diff=87879Paris2017-05-08T23:53:38Z<p>Beatnickgr: </p>
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'''Paris''' is the capital of [[France]]. It is situated within a ring road called ''le périphérique'', or ''le périph''. The actual city is actually small but is surrounded by endless suburbs, some of them being linked to the urban public transportation system at no extra cost, and some other being labelled as outside zones and thus more expensive to reach.<br />
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Note that there is an "outer ring road" to the Paris suburb area, motorway A86 (or ''super-périphérique'') and another wider ring called "la Francillienne" which isn't completed but still used to connect . If your ride is not going to Paris itself, you might want to clarify which ring they are going to take as it may affect the place where you'd want to be dropped.<br />
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== Hitching in ==<br />
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During rush hours, it is possible (but illegal) to be quickly dropped on the ring road. This is useful if your ride is not willing to get out of it to drop you (which is often the case). Within the ring area, you are definitely linked to the whole regular fare subway system.<br />
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If you are coming from the Northeast and your ride is heading South (which is a normal truck route), chances are that your driver will not drop you on the ring road where it is complicated to stop. A frequent place to get dropped is the first exit South on the A6 called "Rungis". From there, you can reach the Metropolitan subway system with one ticket, then use one to your final destination. You can also reach other suburbs in the 94 department (Val de Marne) taking the TvM bus, which is also a normal Paris ticket.<br />
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== Hitching out ==<br />
There are plenty of excellent spots for hitchhiking North (''Aire La Courneuve''), East ([[petrol station hitchhiking|petrol stations]] and ''[[péage|barrières de péage]]'') and also South (''Aire de Lisses''). It's all about how much you are willing to pay in public transportation, and how daring you are.<br />
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=== North/Northeast towards [[England]], [[Lille]] and [[Belgium]] {{afr|1}} ===<br />
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These are classified by cost in public transportation from Paris' centre. There is a bonus pro-tip at the bottom involving Arras :)<br />
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==== Option 1: Porte de la Chapelle ====<br />
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This option costs one local ticket. Porte de la Chapelle is where the [[A1 (France)|A1]] starts. Local drivers say they often see hitchhikers there. To get there, take the metro line 12 to ''Porte de la Chapelle'', then walk to the roundabout. You can try getting a ride on the roundabout (there are traffic lights, which means that cars have to stop) or you can stand on the opposite side facing the roundabout where the motorway starts. Another good option is to start hitchhiking in the same street where the metro is. There are 2 petrol stations in that very street, just 50m deeper into the city. They aren't overcrowded and, at the same time, quite a few cars going up north stop here to refill; nonetheless, at such places, much depends on your luck, and according to some hitchhikers, this place won't make it to the top 10 best hitchhiking places in France. It is therefore recommended to hitchhike at the roundabout, where a quiet lane right by the traffic lights gives you a good opportunity to get onto the motorway (avoiding at the same time all the traffic that heads for ''Boulevard Peripherique'').<br />
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A good option to leave faster is to show at the roundabout a sign for the airport "Charles de Gaulle". There is a petrol station (Aire La Courneuve - see Option 2) before the airport where the driver could let you out; don't miss it! The station is not so big and many drivers just go to the airport but at least you can ask people, whereas it could be hard and long at Porte de la Chapelle.<br />
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==== Option 2: Motorway services Aire La Courneuve ====<br />
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[[File:Masaru.jpg|thumb|240px|right|Hitchhiker Masaru at ''Aire La Courneuve'']]<br />
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This option costs one local ticket or zones 1–3 ticket (eur 2.45). The petrol station [http://hitchwiki.org/maps/?place=5201 ''Aire de Service de La Courneuve''] is about 2 km along the A1, north of Paris. <br />
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Take bus 150 from ''Porte de la Villette'' or bus 250 from '''Fort d'Aubervilliers'' (both are on metro line 7) to the stop ''Parc des Sports''. <br />
This bus stop is next to the A1 highway. Just walk to the right from the bus stop, without ever passing under the overpass. Then walk east parallel to the motorway through the parking lot of an apartment complex. There is a wall preventing access to the motorway, but if you continue walking a few hundred meters east and up a slight grassy hill, the wall ends. You can then follow a steep, thorny path full of nettles down towards the motorway and back west towards the petrol station. There is a fence right along the motorway, but near the petrol station it has been trampled down and you can step over it.<br />
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Attention: in the winter / early spring or after the rain walking down the hill to the motorway might be difficult because of mud. In February it took 2 hitchhikers almost 40 minutes to walk down and reach the fence, after numerous attempts to keep the balance and not to fall down. It might be a good idea in this case to hitch from the entrance of the highway, right at the cross before you turn to the parking lot of the apartment complex. <br />
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From the petrol station, most drivers are only going to the airport or local communities. You should ask for a lift at least to the [[toll station]] (''péage'') heading north. This is a 20-minute drive down the motorway (some kilometers after the airport) and everyone has to stop here. It is a great place to get long-distance rides.<br />
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==== Option 3: Charles de Gaulle ====<br />
''Charles de Gaulle'' airport can be an option for hitching North-East, although waiting times might vary a lot.<br />
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It is easy to jump the metro at terminal 2 and there wasn't anyone guarding it. Maybe the same is true for terminals 1 and 3 but I can't vouch for it.<br />
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From terminal 2 walk out of terminal and head straight to the main road. You should see signs for A1 Paris Lille. Keep following these signs until the road splits for A1 Lille. One road goes to the left, under a bridge and there are some traffic lights. The other goes to the right. Stand to the right of the right turn. Cars can stop on a dashed out area to your left or drive a little past you on the right. A couple of cars stopped straightaway and I was easily able to get a lift to the next service station which had lots of people driving north to Lille, Belgium and Holland. That service station was very busy and it was easy to get a lift as well as a good meal from peoples' leftovers in the restaurant including half a bottle of wine!<br />
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==== Option 4: Motorway services Aire de Vémars Est====<br />
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<li>From 'Nation' bus station (also a metro stop), take bus 351* to 'Roissypole' located at Charles de Gaulle Airport (Terminal 3). It's the last stop and payment isn't required to enter the bus.You can BLACK RIDE on this bus both ways</li><br />
<li>From the coach station there (Gare routière), you can catch the 95.01 bus to Vémars, though this bus does '''not''' run on Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays. Ask inside at the ticket office/information desk for which parking number the bus will be at (D2 in Oct 2013). The ticket costs €2. [BEWARE 95.01 does not work on public holidays and Sundays, so if that is the case, then get off at QUEBEC because the A1 highway (going to Lille) cuts through Paris multiple times and at this petrol station there is a higher chance of finding Dutch cars stopping and giving you a ride to another petrol station on the main highway, which is super busy and easy to find rides going to anywhere from Calais to Antwerp to Lille]</li><br />
<li>From the Vémars bus stop walk straight 400m on 'Rue Pierre Curie' (D17) until it merges with 'Rue de la Mairie.' Walk an additional 350m until this merges with 'Rue des Vignolles' (D16).</li><br />
<li>On your left, the A1 will be clearly visible as will the 'Aire de Vémars Ouest' petrol station. From here, it is another 1.25km to any given entrance.</li><br />
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Another useful recommendation is this website, where you can virtually create any route you want to take out of the city. Coupled with Google Maps, it's an excellent tool:<br />
http://www.ratp.fr/itineraires/en/ratp/recherche-avancee<br />
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For 351 Bus Route refer to link below<br />
http://www.ratp.fr/informer/pdf/orienter/f_plan.php?loc=bus_banlieue/300&nompdf=351&fm=pdf<br />
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*Note: The 351 bus service does not run on weekends, but the above link can help find an alternate route.<br />
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==== Option 5: Senlis Péage ====<br />
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This option costs €9 (25% discount for under 26s) + a local ticket to Gare du Nord. The peage is 50km north of Paris, near the town of Senlis. <br />
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Senlis has no train station, but you still buy the ticket from a train station. From Paris Nord, go to Chantilly and switch to a bus to Senlis at the "gare routière" right outside of Chantilly's train station with your ticket. Once there, you need to walk a little and you'll find a "[[péage|péage]]". The bus driver gave me the directions. This should take around one hour.<br />
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==== Option 6: Porte de Bagnolet (A3) ====<br />
Google maps: [https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Porte+de+Bagnolet/@48.8649082,2.4086197,17z/data=!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x47e66e87e1c7d877:0x17c4d9a47ae58890!2sPorte+de+la+Chapelle!8m2!3d48.897279!4d2.359192!3m4!1s0x47e66d8329157e27:0x2a4ba9074d60ae9a!8m2!3d48.8645542!4d2.4095799]<br />
Get a ticket for the station Porte de Bagnolet. This is pretty close to where the A3 starts, which leads to the A1, so a lot of traffic is heading this direction. The place might not be ideal, but it worked for me after just 20 minutes to get a ride on to the A1, There is a bus stop, where buses often stop so the traffic is slowed down, furthermore, there is a small gas stop, where you can approach drivers directly which cue up there from time to time. Position yourself at the traffic lights before the bus stop to show your sign indicating the direction you want to go to.<br />
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==== Bonus Tip: Arras Service Station====<br />
Heading north on the A1, there is a ''fantastic'' Esso service station just outside Arras [https://goo.gl/maps/2suUznoe5C42], with people heading pretty much everywhere. You can get rides to the UK (Chunnel), Lille, Belgium, Netherlands. Many difference license plates (GB, F, B, NL, D, E) and lots of opportunities.<br />
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=== East towards [[Metz]], [[Strasbourg]], [[Luxembourg]], [[Germany]] {{Afr|4}} ===<br />
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==== Option 1: Motorway service station ''Aire de Ferrières'' ====<br />
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''Quite long trip and a bit expensive. Takes you to a great petrol station (good for both day and night hitching); better if you speak French.''<br />
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Take RER A to station ''Bussy St.Georges''. You can also get to this RER A station by taking bus 4 or 44 from metro station ''Gutenberg''.'' Make your way west to the D35 and then walk south along it for about 1km to a roundabout. You can try hitchhiking from here, but the service station is just a bit more than 2 km from here. You can walk on the grass field next to the motorway - don't choose this way in the morning or in autumn/winter as the grass is wet. The petrol station is called ''Aire de Ferrières'' and it's a "TOTAL" company. <br />
Another option to reach this petrol station is to walk through the industrial zone of the ''Bussy'' district, which lies south of the railway, crossing the bridge over the motorway and then continuing on by walking on the grass until the actual petrol station (note that as of February 2011, there was a nice-sized fence to hop after crossing the bridge. Nothing too difficult, but a big backpack makes it harder!). Most of the walk will be on the road which means you will save some time while at the same time such a walk won't be so annoying if you happen to hitchhike in winter (then you apparently don't want to go through the fields).<br />
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Here's a [http://maps.google.fr/maps?q=48.828509,2.744594&ll=48.836023,2.723494&spn=0.034406,0.071583&num=1&t=m&z=14 map].<br />
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==== Motorway junction slip-road ====<br />
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''This one is close to Paris, faster and cheaper to get to, but still in the megapolis. Starting from there, you're likely to end up either at the petrol station described above or at the péage. Not good at night.''<br />
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Take the RER Line A (Red) in the direction of ''Boissy St Legere'' until the station ''Nogent Sur Marne'' (€2.75 (2016)). Leave the station in direction of ''Rue Joinville'' and follow the sign to the A4. It is a 30 minute walk. There is a red light before the slip road (on-ramp). Lots of traffic, possibility to stop on the ramp for brave drivers.<br />
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Ask if your driver can take you at least to the next petrol station which is within the free motorway network. Toll gate is a bit further.<br />
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==== From within the city limits: Quai de Bercy ====<br />
''Cheap, as you will only need a metro ticket and pretty fast too.''<br />
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You can also try to hitch directly from within Paris rather than taking the train for at least half an hour and then walking. <br />
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Take the metro line 14 to Bercy and exit towards Boulevard de Bercy, take the Boulevard down to the bridge where it intersects with Quai de Bercy. Standing on Quai de Bercy it is advisable to have a sign indicating you want to get onto the A4. When cars stop, ask if they are going all the way to the toll station (péage), many drivers turn off the A4 before that but there are not really any convenient places to continue hitch-hiking from before the toll station.<br />
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=== Getting South or Southwest {{Afr|6}}, {{Afr|10}}, or {{Afr|11}} ===<br />
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These spots are close enough to the city to be getting traffic in all southern directions.<br />
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==== Option 1: Porte d'Orléans ====<br />
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Once the most famous hitchhiking spot in France, this spot isn't bad nowadays, but it isn't great either. The good thing is that drivers aren't surprised to see people there, and that you don't need to get out of Paris in faraway suburbs. <br />
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''Porte d'Orléans'' is the terminal subway station of line 4. There is an entry on the ''périphérique'' ring road where lots of people are later heading South. The best place is besides the "Novotel" building or (better) opposite it at the traffic lights. Be warned, traffic here is heavy and fast moving. If you have much baggage or more than one person I would not fancy your chances here. Waiting at the petrol station or even the adjacent war memorial will not give you the best traffic.<br />
Edit : I think that the place in front of the hotel is pretty bad. Very hard for the cars to stop there. It's better to stand before, at the red lights. I stood near the gas station at the lights, you miss all the cars not coming from inside Paris, but it's way easier for the cars to see you and to stop.<br />
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Make sure to specify with a sign specifying that you go to [[Orléans]] or [Chartres] (if you are heading Southwest - A10 or A11), and that the driver will leave you at least at the "péage de Saint Arnoult" or before that at "Limours-Janvry" service station. Beware, just after the "péage", the motorway separates between A10 and A11. If you are heading directly South, have a sign and make sure to be left at ''Aire de Lisses'', roughly 35 km further, a little bit after Evry (drivers to Evry are not enough for you). <br />
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Whenever a diplomat travels between Paris and the Orly airport, he'll go through here. Which means that there will be police presence. The police don't care about you, but it is very unlikely anyone will stop while they are around. That happens often enough. They stick around for one hour.<br />
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==== Option 2: Porte d'Italie ====<br />
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Similarly ''Porte d'Italie'' which is not far from ''Porte d'Orleans'' is a good place to hitch from. Additionally if you walk down the exit to the traffic lights, there is an overhead bypass which can keep you dry in the rain.<br />
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=== South towards [[Lyon]], [[Marseille]], [[Barcelona]], [[Italy]] {{Afr|6}} ===<br />
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==== Option 1: Motorway services Aire de Lisses ====<br />
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This option costs EUR 5.85 (but possible to have ride without ticket also), a zone 1–5 ticket and takes roughly 75 minutes. '''Aire de Lisses''' is the first service area on the A6, situated about 35 km South of Paris. It can save you time because you avoid all outbound traffic not really heading your direction, being located after all the motorway branch-offs.<br />
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Get the RER D towards Melun via Corbeil. Be careful to get on the right train as there are 2 routes for RER D towards Melun. As of 2010-02, the ID of the train you need was "ZIPE" or "ZOPO" (All trains on RER lines have a 4 letter ID depending on stations served). If it's too confusing (it's very confusing), get whatever train that goes to "Corbeil Essonne" and, from there, whatever train that goes to Melun. Get off at the station '''Villabé''', the second after Corbeil-Essonnes. The station is not marked on Google Maps but don't worry, it's there: [http://goo.gl/8omQ2W''the way from Villabé RER station to Aire de Lisses'']<br />
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[Note, Feb 2015: There is no barrier at Villabé and so you can pay the standard central Paris tarif to get into the metro network and then just ride out there.]<br />
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A problem with a petrol station is that leaving trucks can block the leaving cars, so cars won't have chance to stop at all. [[User:Artti|Artti]] stood there three hours without a sign until he walked to the ramp next to the petrol station. There is more traffic and therefore more chance to get ride. Also cars have lots of space to stop.<br />
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==== Option 2: Motorway services Aire de Nemours ====<br />
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You can take a train to Nemours Saint Pierre (transilien R from Gare de Lyon, a ticket costs about 10 euros) and walk 45min to the service area ( http://goo.gl/VUYmh0 ). Then you're already on a paying section (no local traffic), far out from Paris (80km), and can get a ride to Châlon, Mâcon or Lyon in a few minutes.<br />
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=== South-West to [[Orléans|Orleans]], [[Bordeaux]], [[Spain]] {{afr|10}} & West to [[Le Mans]], [[Nantes]], [[Rennes]] and all parts of [[Bretagne|Brittany]] {{afr|11}} ===<br />
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The A10 and A11 motorways follow the route of the '''A6''' (see above) from Paris, and split from it near [[Antony]]/[[Rungis]]. Then, before the A10 and the A11 split up, there is the service station of Limours-Janvry near Briis-sous-Forges and a [[péage]] near St-Arnoult, 40 km Southwest of Paris. Whichever spot you choose, ask the driver to take you at least until the Limours-Janvry service station or the péage of St-Arnoult. From these places, you can find a driver who takes you on the A10 or the A11 depending on which way you want to go.<br />
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==== Option 1: Pont de Sevres ====<br />
[[File:ParisOut.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Hitching after the bridge in March 2015]]<br />
This option costs the price of an underground ticket. It takes you to the beginning of the N118 road which connects to the A10-A11 in about 25 km.<br />
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Take the subway 9 to Pont de Sevres, its end station. You start walking towards the bridge, where you can see the signs towards Nantes, Bordeaux, etc. The hitchhiking spot is just before the bridge, at the red lights. You can try with the cars coming from the direction of the metro station, and also with the cars which came along the river and are turning left to get to the bridge.<br />
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==== Option 2: Motorway junction Massy Palaiseau ====<br />
This option costs EUR 4.90, a ticket for zones 1-4. This option is useful to get out of the ring roads and get directly on the A10 after all the branch-offs.<br />
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Take RER B to ''Massey-Palaiseau''. Walk down ''Avenue Carnot'' along the ''Massy-Palaiseau'' railway towards the ''autoroute''. After a while there you will see a long stretch of a road with lots of space for cars. Keep going and you will reach a roundabout. If you keep following this road, you will reach the motorway entrance underneath a bridge. Make sure to get a ride to the first ''barrière de péage'' (30+ km) at St-Arnoult or to the Limours-Janvry service station 5 km down the road. <br />
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==== Option 3: Motorway service station Limours-Janvry ====<br />
The first service station on the motorway is called Limours-Janvry and it is situated 2kms northeast of the village ''Briis-sous-Forges''. To get there you need to take RER B to ''Massy-Palaiseau''. From there take bus 91.03 to ''Briis-sous-Forges''. It runs about 3 times an hour on weekdays, once an hour on Saturdays, and there are no buses on Sundays. Then walk northeast along the small local road ''Route d'Invilliers''. (It's not easy to find the road to the petrol station. no one in this village knows what street he is living in let alone that route you're looking for. They don't even know that there's a petrol station in the area. write the instructions and study the map!! I was lost in this village for couple of hours).<br />
[http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=D131&daddr=Aire+de+Service+de+Limours-Janvry&geocode=FT3X5QIdxnEgAA%3BFZke5gIdK7wgAA&hl=en&mra=ltm&dirflg=w&sll=48.64455,2.16575&sspn=0.115917,0.338173&ie=UTF8&ll=48.626839,2.135124&spn=0.028989,0.084543&t=h&z=14 Briis-sous-Forges to the petrol station map]<br />
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[http://maps.google.fr/?ie=UTF8&ll=48.739447,2.302011&spn=0.001638,0.003455&t=h&z=18 this one] (good enough one, according to some hitchhikers). Really good according to others. Took two guys ten minutes to get a ride and a third guy about the same amount of time to a different place. Lots of trucks and cars passing by!<br />
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==== Option 4: Péage de Saint-Arnoult ====<br />
You can take the RER C train to Dourdan. There are no controls on the exit, so if you are on the cheap, you need to pay only the basic metro ticket (some EUR 1.33) to get into the underground network in Paris. Once in Dourdan, cross the railroad track and turn left and then go straight on the D836 until you reach the péage after 4-5 kilometers. You should be able to hitch a car as there are many passing by and the French take easily on small routes if they see you walking. Get off just after the road crosses the autoroute, go left and in a short while, you will reach the péage. Look at the map beforehand! You have much higher chances here then anywhere else, there are lots of cars going through.<br />
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==== Option 5: Chartres: a spot to go directly on the A11, after it has split from the A10 ====<br />
[[File:Zoe.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Hitchhiker Zoe in Paris during the [[project 888|888]] event]]<br />
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Take the train from ''Paris-Montparnasse'' to ''Chartres'' (EUR 12) and start hitching from there. You might want to go to the service station ''Chartres-Gasville'' on the A11 east of ''Chartres'' (bus plus one hour walk!). From the train station, take one of many [http://www.filibus.fr/pages/55 buses] that stop at the ''Morard'' station. Here starts bus 12, take it and get off at ''N.Conté'' - some minutes before you arrive there, memorize the route: the bus crosses the motorway, and comes to a big roundabout where it turns right and continues to a second small roundabout to turn right again to arrive at ''N.Conté''. Now comes 1 hour of walk: go back to the big roundabout and turn right (east) to follow the N10 until you come to a small city. There you encounter the next roundabout, where you turn left. Follow the street, it bends to the right and ends on the ''Rue du Bois Paris'' where you turn left (north). After 500 meters comes the motorway, continue until you have crossed it. The service station is 400 meters east, so try to pass through the trees on your right and follow the street to the service station.<br />
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=== West towards Rouen, Le Havre, Caen {{Afr|13}} ===<br />
==== Inside Paris ====<br />
- Quai André Citroën, under the ring road overpass. A lot of traffic on Fridays and Saturdays as many inhabitants of the 15th and 7th arrondissements go to Normandy for the weekend. As a result, this spot is very effective on these days (20 to 30 min on average) but much worse at other times (expect to wait one and half hours).<br />
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- Porte d'Auteuil, at the last traffic light to the entrance of the A13, or even right under the "no pedestrians" sign on the shoulder to the motorway just after the light, where cars haven't picked up much speed yet and can see you well. Ask drivers to take you (at least) to Morainvilliers petrol station in Poissy.<br />
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==== In the suburbs ====<br />
- Mantes-La-Jolie toll: take Transilien J suburban train from Saint-Lazare station. The fare is €8 but you may not be controlled. Get off in Mantes-La-Jolie (not Mantes Station). There's a 30 minute walk to the toll gate: check the map.<br />
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- Poissy rest area (a.k.a. aire de Morainvilliers): take Transilien J or RER A from Paris and get off at Poissy. Take bus 20 to bus stop "Auberge". There's one bus every hour on weekdays, fewer than that on Saturdays and it doesn't run on Sundays. See the timetable [http://www.transdev-idf.com/horaire-ligne-20-poissy_aval_2_rives_de_seine_015 here].<br />
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== Public transport, sleeping, and more ==<br />
[[File:888_signs.jpg|thumb|240px|right|A small collection of the "Paris" signs for the [[Project 888]] where over 150 hitchhikers gathered and camped in front of the Eiffel Tower.]]<br />
See all the information on [http://nomadwiki.org/en/Paris Nomadwiki]!<br />
* [http://www.ratp.fr/ Public transportation of Paris]<br />
* [http://www.voyages-sncf.com/ Trains and regional transports], ticket agency<br />
=== Going to ''Charles de Gaulle''/''Roissy'' airport ===<br />
Bus line 350 goes to ''Gare de l'Est'', and line 351 - to ''Place de la Nation''. You're supposed to validate 3 tickets (which is a lot cheaper than travelling by RER); checks are said to occur rarely.<br />
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If you are heading south and you are gonna start in Villabé anyway , I'd recommend to sleep there.<br />
It seems that they leave the train station open , and from my experience there were no trains during the night.<br />
And if you are the outdoor man type you can find piece of grass there.<br />
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[[nomad:Paris]]</div>Beatnickgrhttps://hitchwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Athens&diff=79251Athens2015-04-24T07:15:44Z<p>Beatnickgr: </p>
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<div>{{About|capital city of Greece}}<br />
{{Infobox Location<br />
|country = Greece<br />
|name_native = Αθήνα, Athína<br />
|state = Attiki<br />
|map = <map lat='38' lng='23.75' zoom='10' /><br />
|pop = 3,090,508<br />
|motorways = [[A1 (Greece)|A1]], [[A6 (Greece)|A6]]<br />
}}<br />
'''Athens''' is the capital of [[Greece]].<br />
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== Hitching out ==<br />
=== North to [[Halkida]], [[Lamia]], [[Thessaloniki]] {{E|75}} ===<br />
Take the metro line 1, till the last station "Kifissia". From there, [https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=38.073600,23.808195&daddr=38.072389,23.811949&t=h&dirflg=w cross the park]. You'll find a busy bus stop, direction north, take the bus [http://www.oasa.gr/xpmap.php?id=p509&lang=en 509]<br />
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Get off the bus when it makes a U-turn, at "NEO TERMA", and [https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=38.1549,23.857&daddr=38.155,23.8559&t=h&dirflg=w walk 300m] to the parallel of the high-way. It's quite busy with drivers avoiding the toll station 3km away. You can either walk to that toll station, or wait for a short ride, who's gonna drop you 18km away at "Sirios" complex. To help you make your decision, drivers are in better mood after eating than after paying tolls.<br />
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Sirios includes a restaurant, a gas station and Jumbo store. If Sirios restaurant is empty at that time of the day, you can also catch a ride at the point where drivers who avoided the tolls are getting back into the high way. Half of the rides go to Halkida, and the other half go further North. Decline rides that don't go in your direction, they will only put you in a worse spot.<br />
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For a place to sleep before [[Thessaloniki]], there is a [http://hitchwiki.org/maps/?zoom=15&lat=40.33&lon=22.58 24 hour rest area/gas station] in Korinos and it's called [https://olympusplaza.gr Olympus plaza]. It includes a restaurant with free wifi and showers. Nobody will disturb you if you sleep on the couches and workers of the restaurant often give food away.<br />
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=== West to Thiva ===<br />
New spot, i cannot confirm the hitch-hikeability of this route:<br />
Take the suburban till Mandra. From there, take the bus [http://www.oasa.gr/xpmap.php?id=p861&lang=en 861] till the last stop. There's only 35km left to Thiva.<br />
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=== West to the [[Peloponnesos]], [[Patra]] or [[Tripoli]] {{E|94}} ===<br />
==== Option 1: Megara SEA ====<br />
From metro Neratziotissa, take the suburban train to Kiato, and get down in Megara. The ticket costs 3 euro.<br />
The controller always gets on the train in Nea Peramos, in the 1st or 5th (last) wagon. You can either :<br />
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a) go down in Nea Peramos and try to find a [https://www.google.com/maps?saddr=38.0141,23.4145&daddr=37.9964,23.364&t=k short ride to Megara].<br />
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b) stay in the 3rd wagon, and when you see the control approaching, go the opposite direction. If the train is full, the control might be slow and you might arrive in Megara before they reach you. If they catch you without a ticket, you wont pay any fine, but just the 3 euro ticket.<br />
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From the train platform of Megara, you can see the restaurant / petrol station. Cross the field, and find this [https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.9922,23.3613/37.9954,23.3647/@37.9941846,23.3608798,633m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0 underground pass] There are not many cars stopping there, but you can get a long ride. The intersection to Patra or Tripoli is just 40km away, be sure to ask for the correct direction before accepting the ride.<br />
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==== Option 2: National Road 8 ====<br />
* from Ag.Marina Metro Station (end of blue line) buses [http://www.oasa.gr/xpmap.php?id=pa16&lang=en A16] and [http://www.oasa.gr/xpmap.php?id=p876&lang=en 876].<br />
* from Pireas Metro Station (end of green line), buses [http://www.oasa.gr/xpmap.php?id=p845&lang=en 845] and [http://www.oasa.gr/xpmap.php?id=p871&lang=en 871].<br />
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Get off at 1st Aerodromiou Stop or Levkes Stop. There you will see the connection with National Road 8 (N8).<br />
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==== Option 3: Harrys Truck-Stop ====<br />
In the suburb of Aspropyrgos, in west Athens, there is a truck-stop well known and used by truck-drivers. There are many trucks from western and northern Europe which means that hitchers will have very good chances of getting a lift to the port-city of Patras and possibly even beyond into Europe.<br />
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The truck stop is at the 17th km of National Road Athens-Korinthos (Athinon-Korinthou). Ιt seems this is where Halivas Cement Company is.<br />
It's a huge area and bus drivers and people know it. ''Not sure if you can say they know it. ** ''[[User:nerd-has-a-shirt|Val]] asked around the area and nobodoy could help him out. I ended up hitching from an on ramp to the highway which worked just fine as well''<br />
http://www.eurotruckstops.com/city/harrys-truckstop-athens/<br />
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==== Option 4 : Eleusina Toll Station ====<br />
With the same buses of option 2, you get off at Platia Elefsinas and [https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=ΠΛ.ΕΛΕΥΣΙΝΑΣ+@38.043151,23.542327&daddr=38.042,23.495 walk 5.5km] to Eleusina Toll Station.<br />
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=== South to [[Sounio]] ===<br />
Take the bus [http://www.oasa.gr/xpmap.php?id=pe22&lang=en E22] from Elliniko to Saronida, go down at the last stop, walk along the coast to get out of Saronida, and from there you can hitch-hike to Sounio.<br />
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== Public Transport ==<br />
Tickets cost EUR 1.20 (full price) or EUR 0.60 (students) and are valid for 70min after first validation. As an act of solidarity, partially used tickets are left on the validating machines, escalators, etc. If you find one, take it. The time of first validation are the last 4 digits printed.<br />
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You can check where are the controls on the mobile site [http://syrma.gr/ Syrma.gr]. Usually the controls are at the metro intersections (Syntagma, Omonia, Attiki, Monastiraki), where they hide behind the turns of the connecting corridors.<br />
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If they catch you without a ticket, give them your passport, but don't pay the fine. Till now, nobody saw their fines redirected to their countries.<br />
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[[Nomad:Athens]]</div>Beatnickgr