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What is the sense of "a typical lift in the Netherlands is only 25-50 km". Besides the fact that you mention it as "only". Typcial lifts do not exist. To explain it I should study the meaning of the word typical, but the discussion already ends there. If you hitchhike every day to school, and the school is 5437 meters away your typical lift might be 5437 meters minus the meters that you walk. If you like to go from Utrecht to Leeuwarden every weekend, and once in a while, your typical lift will have a different distance. Asking for rides gives a different average, as does hh at night or only on Mondays, or only with your grandmother, alone, a pet or a fridge. It's too rough for me to say "typical 25-50 km" since it depends on what you want to transport, of experience and technique and of your desired mobility pattern. Expected avg is much longer on a return trip Maastricht-Amsterdam than De Cocksdorp-Cadzand.

How do you define a typical lift?

Regards Frank Verhart


Hi Frank! Welcome!
Well, fortunately this is not an encyclopedia, so we don't have to be super exact :) Also, it is a wiki, and everyone is welcome to make all pages more useful to hitchhikers! :) Guaka 19:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Information on NL article

I just hided this information:

  • hitching towards Germany is difficult

Well, hitching towards Germany is quite easy as I think, I hitch over there from Enschede quite often, and never had a driver who thought I might have drugs with me. Also duane police never stopped while standing there.

  • description of three signs

While reading the text its quite difficult to imagine how they look. Maybe adding a picture? Or isn't this information quite useless? Well, whatever. Hope you like the templates. platschisite, wikitalk 12:37, 9 November 2007 (CET)

Highways

It would be great and useful if the 'E' number of the highway was also twinned with the A number (as on every country), on many maps it is the most easyiest information to get... and for us -non-europeans- we only look at those on maps (and on the european road map given for free in Canada, this is the info that appears.) Maplefanta 01:45, 5 December 2007 (CET)

Hey Maplefanta. Might be an idea to add/link them, but I guess as, for example, if you hitchhike in Germany, nearly nobody knows the E-road numbers, because everyone uses the A-1,2,3 numbers. Think in the NL it's the same. Totally different it is in Denmark, where all roads have E numbers. Think we have to find a solution for that :-) platschisite, wikitalk 13:11, 5 December 2007 (CET)

E-numbers are hardly used in the Netherlands. Commonly used online maps primarily show the A-numbers. We, the Dutch and Europeans know that Canadian maps of European motorways are rarely used compared to our own maps, which always show the A-numbers and map dependent E-numbers. Adding E-numbers for the Netherlands seems irrelevant for me. For Belgium that may be differenct, since there the E-numbers are commonly used, as these are shown on Belgian maps and on the road themselves. --Fverhart 15:40, 5 December 2007 (CET)
I know that it is hardly used in some countries, I am more specifically just asking for those who knows those E-numbers, they could simply be add to bonify the information, not put as a priority. It also allows to have a more global european connection view on the highway... since they keep the same number whatever country they cross... like if I am am on the E40 in Belgium, then I am lost to find it when I go to a german page Maplefanta 19:09, 5 December 2007 (CET)
Yep, maybe a special page for, for example, the E30, and there you can link to the specific parts of the highways, like on wikipedia. Just link on that page to the A1 (Netherlands), A30 (Germany) and so one :-) platschisite, wikitalk 19:43, 5 December 2007 (CET)

Hitchhiking (ad-hoc-carpooling) in the Netherlands website

Dear all! For my website Hitchhiking (ad-hoc-carpooling) in the Netherlands I've recently done two things: - start of a version in Dutch - registered the URL www.liftennederland.tk to replace the current URL www.franknature.nl/hitchhike/hitchhike.htm

Now I throw up a few points for your welcome feedback. 1. Which should be the initial language on the site? I've set it for now to Dutch. Site statistics show that about 65% of visitors use a provider in the Netherlands (62%) or Belgium (4%). Then USA providers have a share of about 10%, and we all know that these might be for a bigger part also Dutchies, at least partially. However, Dutch provider obviously does not mean that this user knows the Dutch language. And users in other countries might just as well be able to read Dutch... at least some! Besides this, I think Dutch as first language is good to popularize hitchhiking in the Netherlands among the natives. Dutch (mobility) orginizations might be easier inclined to establish links to the site in Dutch. How do you look upon it? 2. What is a good shorter URL for the site? The .TK domain is registered in Tokelau Islands and is given at no cost, which is its main advantage. All the .TK domain does is forward every visitor to the site at its current URL. I've found www.liftennederland.tk (Dutch for www.hitchhikingnetherlands.tk). This latter one was not available. What kind of .TK URL would be better? Note that many may not be available. And how much negatively affects the current "long and bad" URL... 3. Does it make any sense anyway? (This is supposed to be a very general and slightly ironic, perhaps metaphoric, question...). 4. Do you think hitchhiking will get more common again within the society as a way of travelling?

Finally, my site has shown an incredible increase by number of visitor for november: plus 60% compared to Nov '07, while the other months were in a range between +10% and -10% per month compared to the same month last year. Also December is making a kick start. Site has some 5.750 hits per year, as an average for 2006-2008.

Thanks for any feedback.

--Fverhart 09:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Alright. First of all, a "real" domain should not be expensive. For .de I pay about 43 cents per month, I guess .nl is similar. For the language: You can make a start page where the user can chose his language. Also, it is techincally possible to "guess" the users language, by checking the language of the browser. Let me know if you need help for that. About the sense: Have you considered starting a dutch hitchwiki instead? It has shown, that this leads to very great content in the long term. It would also bring much more visitors as the site is already very well known internationally. Think about it ;) --MrTweek 09:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Didn't know, so I could spider for a low cost .nl domain. About guessing by browser, I have no clue how that works, so help :p I haven't considered Dutch hitchwiki, but I'm thinking about that (and women ;) day and night. Thanks so far. --Fverhart 13:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Can you use any scripting language (like PHP) on the server? --MrTweek 13:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm using the WYSIWYG program Dreamweaver CS, have no knowledge of any other tools! --Fverhart 19:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't matter. The question is, if your webserver/webhoster supports that. --MrTweek 22:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Seems so, checking the site, with these standard settings: register_globals = Off
allow_url_fopen = Off. However, they can change these on request. Is this needed? --Fverhart 23:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Nope, that's not needed. I'll do that for you, as soon as I find the time. --MrTweek 00:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Philip for offering this help. However, I'm making a sidenote: such assisting makes me as the editor of my website more dependent of others, which has some disadvantages too... do you get my point? --Fverhart 09:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
No, not really. How would that make you depend on me?
Well, whatever. Check this: [1]. Just copy it to your webdir and call it index.php or something. It will redirect dutch and belgian users to index-nl.html and all others to index-en.html. You can change these filenames of course. Let me know if that works :) --MrTweek 09:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Look! http://www.franknature.nl/hitchhike/hitchhike.php I get Dutch, what do you get Philipp? What do you get if you go to http://www.franknature.nl/hitchhike/hitchhike.htm. Coz that's the site where all link partners and Google sends visitors to. Does it take care of the PHP script? And last question: how does that affect my visitor statistics, now only the Dutch page (normally the opening page) has a counter!! So the stats might go and miss out the foreigners. --Fverhart 19:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
It sends me to the English page. Google will probably know both of them. You will have to add the counter to the dutch AND to the english pages. --MrTweek 16:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I proposed a Dutch hitchwiki before, but I don't think I will be very active there myself. Nor will Prino I think, but it could be good. I guesstimate it takes MrTweek about 5 minutes to set up the Dutch version of Hitchwiki.
Anyway, it would be great if you'd place any text under a free license. Hitchwiki will be under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike license.
At transip it's 5 or 6 euro (ex. VAT) per year for .nl and so far their service has been excellent. guaka 19:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
...which throws the question back to Frank again: Frank, do you want to be admin for a Dutch hitchwiki? --MrTweek 19:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

HH allowed in NL?

Hi, I am hitch-hiking through NL at the moment, and some people already told me that it is illegal to do this! They told me, the only place where you are allowed to hh is on gas stations or parking lots. Does somebody know for sure if this is correct?

Also, it happened already twice to me that at a gas station the owner told me to leave his area, i should go some where else. So I recommend everybody to first ask at the gas station if they are ok with you standing at their property.

 Hitch-hiking is not illegal in NL, it is however illegal to walk on the highway and illegal to stop on the highway (and the highway starts at the sign on the ramp!). You're quite likely to be fined when caught walking past the highway sign and drivers might be unwilling to stop on the ramp. The hard shoulder is called 'emergency lane' in dutch and treated as such... Personally, I won't break the rules or annoy other drivers just to pick a hitch-hiker and I reckon this is a common attitude in NL.
 Gas stations (along highways) shouldn't be an issue though, they are generally public space rented from the state anyway. As long as you behave I can't think of a reason to be send away.

Hitchhiking in the Netherlands is allowed everywhere. However, people without vehicles or in or on vehicles not built for driving over a certain speed, 60 or 80 kmh, are not allowed to enter motorways and to a certain extent, also on national roads which are marked with the blue rectangular sign with a car on it. So in practice, you are allowed to hitchhike everywhere, but you cannot do it on motorways and most national road as enforced laws prohibit you to be there; you are considered to be a pedestrian. This is pretty much the same all over Europe in regards to motorways. Apart from those places where there is a prohibition for pedestrians, there are other situations where police might disagree with thumbing. The main concern should always be traffic safety.

Hitchhiking at petrol stations is perfectly allright as well. In NL I've used them around 100-150 times and have never been sent away. On one occassion staff brought me a cardboard and marker, several times they offered me a snack or a cup of tea, once I was asked to only ask for rides at the entrance of the shop for safety reasons. Usual approach is handle the workers with due respect, don't walk around the entrance too much. I prefer to stand at the "front court" of the station, that is the side where the cars are entering. Close to the shop front entrance I always move around with care... --Fverhart (talk) 22:12, 16 July 2013 (CEST)